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Old 4th Mar 2010, 00:18
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Blambert

so basically all the passengers survived solely because the kid didn't say anything stupid like "crash into a building".
Some people would drink sulphuric acid, if it came in a gin bottle.

Roger.
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Old 4th Mar 2010, 00:28
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Originally Posted by blambert
...the pilot is forced to do exactly what he says.
Please, for the love of all things I hold dear, tell me you've never been and have no intention of ever being in control of an aircraft.
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Old 4th Mar 2010, 00:29
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I hope they give him a medal. We're humans, not machines.
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Old 4th Mar 2010, 00:39
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If there is an online petition to save this guys job, let me know and I'm in.

It was harmless (with the exception of dads career) and a little levity goes a long way in relieving stress of operating in busy airspace.

How many of us set the auto-pilot course on aircraft as kids when you could still visit the cockpit.... Shock horror.
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Old 4th Mar 2010, 00:56
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I'll be more than happy to sign that petition
The controller was very brave letting his son do some R/T in the tower, it's just a shame we're in a world full of health & safety, and where common sense is a thing of the past

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Old 4th Mar 2010, 01:55
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The danger in this case wasn't the instructions given, it was the fact that the controller decided that the rules didn't apply to him. He will now find out the hard way that they do.
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Old 4th Mar 2010, 01:57
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Sorry I'm Late --

Sorry fellas --

You must all be pooped! Anybody for a cuppa coffee?

Robert's wife. Ex TWA 707
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Old 4th Mar 2010, 01:59
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no big deal

Originally Posted by WhatsaLizad?
The kid actually did a better job than many worthless affirmative action trainees that were passed off as "qualified" and worked without supervision.
I take it you have some sort of problem with "affirmative action trainees"? Please be reminded that all controllers are held to the same standard, and that the 3 worst controllers I have to deal with regularly are certainly not the ones hired under affirmative action.

On to the matter at hand though...

People crying bloody murder need to get a life and cultivate some common sense. Here's an edited version of the "incident":

JBU171, cleared for takeoff
JBU171 contact departure
403, cleared for takeoff
AMX403, contact departure, adios
Contact departure, adios amigos

The child only made 5 transmissions that consisted of simple takeoff clearances and instructions to contact the pre-assigned departure frequency. Nohing needed to be said about wake turbulence etc. His father made all the other more involved and difficult transmissions. No harm, no foul, and the pilots certainly enjoyed it. Give him a slap on the wrist and send him back to work.
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Old 4th Mar 2010, 02:48
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Fair play to the man for letting his son have a go -people have to get a life , it was safe and fun.
It's bad enough when you can't let anyone in the flightdeck this industry used to be FUN but not anymore cause of all the do gooders
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Old 4th Mar 2010, 03:18
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I spent many a summer days at the tower with my uncle who was an ATC. Admittedly I never made any transmissions, but if I could speak English then, they probably would have let me.

And after we walked onto the apron and walked around the parked aircraft
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Old 4th Mar 2010, 03:31
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I`m siding with the controller on this one.
" How to make your kid popular at school , and still get time off to go fishing with him." Well done Dad... At least it`ll make for good humour in the future.

For all the idiots that think safety was compromised at ANY time , you obviously haven`t a clue what you`re talking about , and therefore your opinion doesn`t count. So much taken out of context ... as usual.
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Old 4th Mar 2010, 03:39
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Originally Posted by etrang
it was the fact that the controller decided that the rules didn't apply to him
Bingo.

As a kid, the old man (now retired ATC) had Plazbot and I in the tower to watch what was going on countless times (airshows were the best). We loved it.........but were told strictly not to touch a damn thing (especially that big red button with "CCC" on it that we knew if something crashed, you would press it and all them green fire trucks would come out to play).

People are asking where's the foul? Do you need an Air/Ground Radio Operators certificate in the US? Sheeet, when I moved here to Canada as a licenced controller I couldn't talk to traffic until I sat the Certificate exam.
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Old 4th Mar 2010, 03:46
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It's all very sad. If the kid had wanted to be an ATCO before, I doubt if he wants to be one now
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Old 4th Mar 2010, 04:05
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Perhaps the controller was following an ancient tradition...
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Old 4th Mar 2010, 04:14
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ricardian, this artical is shocking!!!! The bishops son will be dressed as a bishop and say prayers and give blessings. If I was one of the unlucky parishoners I could have a dodgey blessing which mean that I may not get to heaven, well not all the way at least. He will say the words his father should say in the prayers....but that's not right. If the bishops lips don't say them, well, it's not right, i'm not sure why and i'm stuggling to argue the point but i'm sure it's wrong. Lets suspend the bishop, abuse his son and put the video on the internet. Or maybe we should ask the FAA what to do?
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Old 4th Mar 2010, 04:57
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Wow...Tanx God All of us are living in a World where no big problems occur each day such as murder, rapes, abuse, violation, war, famine, corruption, sex traffic, child exploitation, etc, and we and Media can only worry about a "Stupid" controller who let her "Pseudo-Terrorist" kid doing some verrryyyyyy dangerous and misguided infos to those danger-unaware crews...!!!
Ok...now serious...can anyone really enlighten me the potential danger of this situation...???
Kid AFAIK only repeated some simple things, not even orders but simple freq.changes or similar, or a mere CFTO, and for sure with attentious Dad by his shoulder...So, whats the real deal here..???
Im in for a petition to save his **s if necessary, guys...
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Old 4th Mar 2010, 05:24
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I think someone back there missed the irony.


The problem is that even if the kid had started joking around over the radio, the pilot is forced to do exactly what he says.

"Simon says, take off and climb into the sky. Simon says, Turn left." Tee hee. "Simon says, Turn right." Giggle "Simon says, Touch your nose." Tee hee. "Stand on your head. Hahahahaha Gotcha!"



While flying as a F.O on a shiny new jet, I had the future fleet managers 9 year old in the left...He was quite good really...better than the then fleet manager's 'secretary', an almost mute bloke supposedly with an SCPL.

While decending into Munich with the training skipper down the back, the bloke waits until I'm looking up at a failing air system and pulls against the auto pilot to slow the decent. Spring detector kicks the AP out and he lets go. The straps hit my shoulders. Nothing but green fields filling the windscreen. Level at 2,000 feet after about 2g pull. The most incredible thing is that the skipper didn't come forward to see what was happening.

Bring in the kids, they do a better job.
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Old 4th Mar 2010, 05:47
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...it was the fact that the controller decided that the rules didn't apply to him.
Any controller that's ever said "good day" on frequency has decided that the rules don't apply to them either. At least by US standards, that's a non-essential transmission, and therefore "against the rules". Let's fire them all.

You don't trash an expensively licensed person for something like this. Well YOU might (which is why you aren't a manager!
You haven't dealt with FAA management much, have you?
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Old 4th Mar 2010, 05:53
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Blambert - don't worry most of us got it. This sarcasm business is lost on some.

To anyone who didn't get Blambert's post - please stay away from anything that even remotely resembles heavy machinery - especially if it flies.
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Old 4th Mar 2010, 06:27
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Any controller that's ever said "good day" on frequency has decided that the rules don't apply to them either. At least by US standards, that's a non-essential transmission, and therefore "against the rules". Let's fire them all.
The saying "Rules are for the guidance of wise men, and the blind obedience of fools" is rather popular amongst PPruners. Fine, but if you do decide to ignore the rules then you should expect to take responsibility for your actions. This controller will soon be looking for a new job - I hope they feel it was worth it.
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