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Why can't you non industry 'Numpties' just bog off and leave this tread to those who fly and/or maintain these aircraft. The Daily Mail (so called knowledgeable scribes) know diddley squat
Ignore these puerile type people
Ignore these puerile type people
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It could indeed have been the good doctor sitting next to me at Edinburgh in the cabin of a very smart BA 737-200 (some 20+ years old at the time, but resplendent in its glistening new cabin interior) looking at the DanAir 737-400 (3 years old) on the next stand and commenting on the nice new aircraft that BA had unlike..........................
Ignore these puerile type people
And, oh,
...leave this tread to those who fly
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Ratmanon,
Sorry what about the turkish 737-800 that crashed at EHAM, that was months old I think, yet due to the crew getting misleading info and not dealing with it in a expeditious manner it plopped onto the floor hard.
The system did a job it had to for whatever reason, we should be glad that it did.
Have you seen the state of the NHS lately?
I will rest there.
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Sorry what about the turkish 737-800 that crashed at EHAM, that was months old I think, yet due to the crew getting misleading info and not dealing with it in a expeditious manner it plopped onto the floor hard.
The system did a job it had to for whatever reason, we should be glad that it did.
Have you seen the state of the NHS lately?
I will rest there.
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RJay, I ( trained initially in general then aircraft engineering, then became a pro' photographer on Harrier & Hawk trials etc ) rather prefer your point of view re. ' The Doctor ' !
Of course there is the point that being a Doc' he can probably afford a new Boeing off his own bat; I have seen Test Pilots being VERY careful when about to fly a brand new aircraft, while a comment I heard more than once was that aircraft are over-maintained, and like any machine tend to like common use, rather than constantly being taken apart.
I am not a nervous passenger, and when in small aircraft I try to be useful, if it's only keeping a lookout ( which has paid off more than once ); but seeing gallons of fuel p'ing out would certainly grab my attention, and I'd rather not be part of the " probably won't ignite " experiment...
BTW, I know all American products, be they buildings, space-ships or aircraft, seem to have venting sized to suit Bruce Willis, but does the Boeing really have manhole covers ?!
All that remains is to say well done crew and not so Daily Mail, so no surprises.
Of course there is the point that being a Doc' he can probably afford a new Boeing off his own bat; I have seen Test Pilots being VERY careful when about to fly a brand new aircraft, while a comment I heard more than once was that aircraft are over-maintained, and like any machine tend to like common use, rather than constantly being taken apart.
I am not a nervous passenger, and when in small aircraft I try to be useful, if it's only keeping a lookout ( which has paid off more than once ); but seeing gallons of fuel p'ing out would certainly grab my attention, and I'd rather not be part of the " probably won't ignite " experiment...
BTW, I know all American products, be they buildings, space-ships or aircraft, seem to have venting sized to suit Bruce Willis, but does the Boeing really have manhole covers ?!
All that remains is to say well done crew and not so Daily Mail, so no surprises.
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I too would never ever wish to see fuel peeing out of the plane, would scare the hell out of me.
I do know that when things start to do something abnormal they do it for some sort of reason. Never nice tho.
Good on the crew shame on, as always, the papers.
I too would never ever wish to see fuel peeing out of the plane, would scare the hell out of me.
I do know that when things start to do something abnormal they do it for some sort of reason. Never nice tho.
Good on the crew shame on, as always, the papers.
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Umbridge (the one on Umriver)
@lakerman re post#38,
When I last took umbridge, I ended up hopelessly lost, didn't get to umtown at all... I believe we should all take umbrage at such spelling.
When I last took umbridge, I ended up hopelessly lost, didn't get to umtown at all... I believe we should all take umbrage at such spelling.
newer aircraft don't crash as often as older ones, good observation from a lay person.
Airlines that can afford new aircraft probably can afford to run them properly.
Airlines that can afford new aircraft probably can afford to run them properly.
The accident history for many aircraft types exhibits a bath-tub curve. High at the end and high at the beginning.
This was puzzled over and after peeling away some more layers of insight it was postulated that it was a learning curve (not worn out or mis-designed airplanes).
To some extent the data might support some airlines, that can't afford anything but hand-me-downs, also still learning how to operate to age old lessons-learned
ratmanon
be careful of your interpretations of what I said else I'll have to take you to the woodshed
I did say it was a bathtub curve. I didn't say the exact shape of the bath tub. For all I know you could be imagining a half elipsoid or shower stall
I suppose I could always drag out the plots but it still wouldn't convince many of you.
PS Oh, I just saw lomapaseo's post ! OK so loma, the data doesn't support it ?
Split the service life of the worlds jet fleet (say 30 yrs) into two. You really believe that the crash rate (adjusted) of the fleet aged 1-15 yrs is more than the fleet aged 16-30 yrs. Come on man, you need more nous than that if you're going to fly jets...
Split the service life of the worlds jet fleet (say 30 yrs) into two. You really believe that the crash rate (adjusted) of the fleet aged 1-15 yrs is more than the fleet aged 16-30 yrs. Come on man, you need more nous than that if you're going to fly jets...
I did say it was a bathtub curve. I didn't say the exact shape of the bath tub. For all I know you could be imagining a half elipsoid or shower stall
I suppose I could always drag out the plots but it still wouldn't convince many of you.
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Sorry Ratmanon but I dont think so, to many flaws for your defense of "the Doc".
An aircraft that doesnt fly, crashes less than one that does,
A pilot who doesnt fly, crashes less than one who does.
The age of an aircraft, I dont think will have anything to do with if it will crash/ have a failure of a system any more than a newer one. They are all maintained to a specific standard. I flew on a brand new 777, its first pax. flight and an avionics computer failed. Age has nothing to do with it.
What the Doctor may percive compared to what he may know are two very seperate things.
Have you seen Ryanairs safety record? Several overruns that they blamed on bad runways when they did not perform the correct procedure, forcing pilots to fly under threat of job loss. But they do have brand new spanking aircraft, so things should be ok.
Plus I think there are more older jets flying (15+ years) than new ones.
An aircraft that doesnt fly, crashes less than one that does,
A pilot who doesnt fly, crashes less than one who does.
The age of an aircraft, I dont think will have anything to do with if it will crash/ have a failure of a system any more than a newer one. They are all maintained to a specific standard. I flew on a brand new 777, its first pax. flight and an avionics computer failed. Age has nothing to do with it.
What the Doctor may percive compared to what he may know are two very seperate things.
Have you seen Ryanairs safety record? Several overruns that they blamed on bad runways when they did not perform the correct procedure, forcing pilots to fly under threat of job loss. But they do have brand new spanking aircraft, so things should be ok.
Plus I think there are more older jets flying (15+ years) than new ones.
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I guess the good doc will be flying Ryanair whenever he can, I fine fleet of new 737's, much safer than flying with BA in their aging fleet..............how many incidents/accidents have ryanair had over the last few years?
It was, in reality, a stupid statement to make.
The above is not a go at ryanair, just trying to point out that it was a silly thing to say. BA have a very old fleet, yet their safety record is very good (the worst incident that recently happened involved one of their newer 777's)
It was, in reality, a stupid statement to make.
The above is not a go at ryanair, just trying to point out that it was a silly thing to say. BA have a very old fleet, yet their safety record is very good (the worst incident that recently happened involved one of their newer 777's)
