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KLM 737 @t EHAM & Aeroflot 737 @ ENGM taxiway take-off

Old 11th Feb 2010, 19:19
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KLM 737 @t EHAM & Aeroflot 737 @ ENGM taxiway take-off

According to a Dutch new site a KLM Boeing 737 took of from a taxiway yesterday (Wednesday) evening.


Vliegtuig steeg op vanaf taxibaan | nu.nl/algemeen | Het laatste nieuws het eerst op nu.nl
A quick and loose translation of the major part of the article.

"The aircraft was to take off from the Zwanenburg baan (36C) but took off from the parallel taxiway instead. According to air traffic control the aircraft departed without problems, but without adhering to the procedures.

All three parties involved (KLM, LVNL, Schiphol) will not comment further on the matter.

The incident was reported to the Onderzoeksraad voor Veiligheid (Investigation Board) which will investigate the incident. According to a spokesman, this is a runway incursion and it is classified as a serious incident.

The president of the Dutch ALPA, Evert van Zwol, speculates that recent snowfall might have played a roll in the incident.

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Old 11th Feb 2010, 20:18
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" According to a spokesman, this is a runway incursion and it is classified as a serious incident."

Does he mean that it wasn't a runway incursion which is why it is a serious incident
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Old 11th Feb 2010, 20:36
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Grrr

It is however a very curious incident, this being their home turf, snow or no snow,i would say this might have implications in the CRM field?

it is being down played by all concerned but on a busy airport like SPL, this could have easily turned nasty...
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Old 11th Feb 2010, 21:04
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I can see how he did it - there have been a number of times when I 'have known of' pilots who - when told to call 'ground west' after crossing 36C (on their way to 36L) have called after crossing the first taxiway.

No excuse obviously - but easier to do than one would imagine!
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Old 11th Feb 2010, 23:03
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AMS is the most confusing airport I've ever worked at.

Unsurprisingly, I have no idea how this happened.

The ATC guys are TOO smart. That is for sure. They treat everyone as a local.
 
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Strange because a friend of mine who flies at klm told me they only have super pilots! They had the best training and are super good. When i walk at schiphol they feel so good they dont say hi.
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Arrogance is a Dutch trait. Sometimes it comes and bites them in the ar$e. I am however generalising and, without any facts, it's not fair to this particular crew - yet.
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Does anyone know which of the parallel taxiways near 36C they took off from?
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...and I always thought taxiways and runways had a different lighting system. obviously there must have been tons of snow...
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Strange because a friend of mine who flies at klm told me they only have super pilots! They had the best training and are super good
Interesting that they are the one's who I find question ATC instructions the most.

"What you want us to only do 270kts but we can get past the company a/c ahead of us"-not unusual. The reply usually is-"and what about the 2 in front of that one"?

They are not so good at advising when they are flying at particularly slow speeds when they are running early either. The other day a B738 at M.67-not a word said till asked.

There is a very noticeable difference between the ex-AirUK guys who fly for them and the native Dutch.
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i think they took of from taxiway bravo northbound (where the fokker 70 is taxieen on the picture)
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Funny, why do I feel like I am at the bar of a banner towing company ?

Anyway, SPL need no longer complain about a shortage of Runways
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Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhtop!

Never found the place particularly confusing, sh1t happens though..the skippers surname wasn't van Zanten was it?
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No comment from S.F.L.Y; the silence is deafening.
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Old 12th Feb 2010, 09:27
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. . . meanwhile, the snow has cleared.
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Is there any news on the flight# / aircraft involved? I'm asking because my gf flew AMS-VIE on KL1849 with PH-BTI on that particular evening and I'm curious to know if this could have been her flight.
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Sheesh! Must have scared the doobies out of that little Fokker.
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There have been similar problems at LGW with people getting
confused between 28L and 28R, the "Emergency" runway, IIRC?
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