ethiopian airlines aircraft down near Beirut
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It's either AMZ (ex FlyGlobeSpan) or ANB (which was ex-Ryanair EI-CSW). Most of the sources I've seen suggest ANB. I haven't seen any other website reporting it's ANA so we can rule that aircraft out presumably.
Either way its too early to be speculating. The black boxes should be found quickly anyway and then the truth of the accident should emerge.
Either way its too early to be speculating. The black boxes should be found quickly anyway and then the truth of the accident should emerge.
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737-800 crash
according to media ATC guy say the pilot asked for course deviation to the right to avoid thunderstorms ATC report the last altitude reported was aprox.. 9000ft
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BEY Controllers are excellent
The know the weather problems, they offer some awsome reroutes as and when requested.
Once when approaching from the East, we stayed high, FL510, and went almost to Cyprus, then returned and descended, (high rate), avoided the weather, then they permitted us to descent to 2000 ft, 25 miles out, on LOC.....
Great service, and great guys.
I am certain they would never vector anyone towards a known active cell.
On departure subject to incoming, the sky is yours, they want you off the shore line, and only limit is the exit level, other than that the sky is yours... (edit added)
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Once when approaching from the East, we stayed high, FL510, and went almost to Cyprus, then returned and descended, (high rate), avoided the weather, then they permitted us to descent to 2000 ft, 25 miles out, on LOC.....
Great service, and great guys.
I am certain they would never vector anyone towards a known active cell.
On departure subject to incoming, the sky is yours, they want you off the shore line, and only limit is the exit level, other than that the sky is yours... (edit added)
glf
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I would suggest that lightning will always be part of the problem, the variable will be how big a part.
The following link gives some previous info.
http://www.caasd.org/atsrac/FAA_PI-E...quirements.pdf
I do not know the mod state of the aircraft in question, but even a full inerting system and CDCCL procedures in place, does not completely eliminate all risk.
The following link gives some previous info.
http://www.caasd.org/atsrac/FAA_PI-E...quirements.pdf
I do not know the mod state of the aircraft in question, but even a full inerting system and CDCCL procedures in place, does not completely eliminate all risk.
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Dark, bad weather.....
As per Gulf Air, it's easy to lose situational awareness and dive into an empty void.
Would not be surprised to see a severe turbulent episode and/or wind shear followed by the above and with little height to recover it's all over in a matter of seconds.
As per Gulf Air, it's easy to lose situational awareness and dive into an empty void.
Would not be surprised to see a severe turbulent episode and/or wind shear followed by the above and with little height to recover it's all over in a matter of seconds.
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Can't find a video online at the moment but they have just shown CCTV footage of the crash on 5 News. You see the aircraft climbing out of the top of the frame, followed shortly after by a big flash then a smaller flash.
Can't find this anywhere online yet.
Can't find this anywhere online yet.
"Speculation, speculation, speculation. Come on guys, you are not accident investigators, you have no idea what happened, just leave it."
You are correct but, this is a Rumour forum.
You are correct but, this is a Rumour forum.
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You're right Peter we - always one isn't there
May not be accident investigators but a lot of pro pilots on this forum kenny and a lot of 737 guys who are probably fairly interested in what went wrong
May not be accident investigators but a lot of pro pilots on this forum kenny and a lot of 737 guys who are probably fairly interested in what went wrong
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Can't find a video online at the moment but they have just shown CCTV footage of the crash on 5 News. You see the aircraft climbing out of the top of the frame, followed shortly after by a big flash then a smaller flash.
Can't find this anywhere online yet.
Can't find this anywhere online yet.
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Rumour has it that KQ507 was caused by pilot disorientation. The same thing may have occur here, too preoccupied avoiding the weather in the vicinity of the airport and loss of aircraft control.