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Ryanair off piste at PIK (23 Dec 2009)

Old 23rd Dec 2009, 12:40
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further reason for no slides deployment

Especially as ground is highly likely to be frozen solid and uneven ,probably resulting in further injuries
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Old 23rd Dec 2009, 12:57
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i wonder did they land deep...............??
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Old 23rd Dec 2009, 13:04
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No Slides deployed

Correct me if im wrong, however, there is some discussion about deploying the slides.

The slides were never deployed. Passengers disembarked via the stairs on the front of the aircraft.

"Passengers disembarked normally and were bussed to the terminal." quote from bbc.co.uk
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Old 23rd Dec 2009, 13:34
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Sorry to disagree Telstar but having observed RYR over the years I can say that RYR do Taxi expeditiously when there is no apparent advantage to be gained.

Even taxiing onto stand at 'break neck' speed. Why oh Why?

However. If you are trying to turn on sheet ice it doesn't matter if you are ten knots or one knot.

There but for the Grace of God....

Safe flying.

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Old 23rd Dec 2009, 13:47
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Actually chaps, I heard the braking action coefficients broadcast on the PIK ATIS, so they were available - & no, I'm not saying what they were, as it will only produce more dross from the anti-RYR & flight sim squads
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Old 23rd Dec 2009, 14:00
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Meanwhile, back at the ranch:
Aircraft is now on move and appears to be off the grass and back on the taxyway. Good job all round. Old hands here were talking about the three days it took to dig out a VC-10 years ago.
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Old 23rd Dec 2009, 14:01
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2/2/7

I was operating last night and remember R13 at PIK as snowtam deposits (item f) as the above, decode WETor water patches,WET or water patches and end third as ICE. We talked about only two thirds of the rwy being practically available, in the event of us having to go there.
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Old 23rd Dec 2009, 14:03
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Ryanair does not have a public image that would allow it to survive a serious accident - the passengers would walk away in droves. As a matter of corporate survival, they have to take safety seriously - and I am sure they do. I can think of many reasons not to fly Ryanair - but concern about safety is not one of them.

Safety is not about how much you spend - it is about how you spend it. And I would guess they have a pretty good grip on that issue too.
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Old 23rd Dec 2009, 14:08
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Just drove past. Ac is about 45 degreees to rw with nose in the dirt and tail still just about encroaching onto threshold of RW13. Clearly in the process of clearing rw when physics took over.
Surely non connected but, half a mile further down road, standing shivering at a public bus stop looking a bit like Albanian refugees, a two stripe FO and a Hostie complete with cheap nasty looking bags and anoracks.
An image of glamour and excitement that will no doubt inspire a whole new generation of sky gods!
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Old 23rd Dec 2009, 14:33
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World Air Images - EI-DHD

Latest picture here, looks like the a/c was carrying a lot of inertia to end up that far in?
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Old 23rd Dec 2009, 14:34
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"at a public bus stop looking a bit like Albanian refugees, a two stripe FO and a Hostie complete with cheap nasty looking bags and anoracks"


Ah the season of goodwill to all men (and women). The level of arrogance and inflated ego on this forum sometimes beggars belief.
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Old 23rd Dec 2009, 14:39
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Latest picture here, looks like the a/c was carrying a lot of inertia to end up that far in?
Doubtful. Think how far your car skids when it hits ice, even at very low speeds, and then remember your car has a wheel at each corner, is designed for ground ops and weighs considerably less than 60 tons.

Jesus, did I just defend the Flying Circus????
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Old 23rd Dec 2009, 14:49
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Come on The Real Slim Shady, tell us how FR's Training is so good, please please. They leave the tarmac so much these days they may as well fit skids!
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Old 23rd Dec 2009, 14:52
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Ryanair's safety culture is summed up in this quote:

"Michael O’Leary, the Ryanair chief executive, has responded to the incidents by issuing a memo to all pilots telling them that they will be demoted the first time they make a dangerous approach and sacked for a second offence."

O'Leary leading the way in embracing the new "blame culture".

I am not Ryanair basher. I think that the vast majority of the crews are competent and professional, but put under unfair pressure by their chief executive/management. The cause of this incident will be revealed in the fullness of time. For the present, as long as O'Leary or someone of his mindset is in charge of the airline, neither I nor my family will travel with them.
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Old 23rd Dec 2009, 14:57
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That plane made an overrun if you see how far it is in the grass it had a very high speed!
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Old 23rd Dec 2009, 15:05
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I landed at Stansted a few nights back after significant snow, runway shut, runway open, more snow and so on. Rolled to the end of runway 04 and vacated at about 2-3 knots gs in an inch of snow. After a 13 hour duty day I saw no need to save a couple more minutes and took what I considered due care and consideration with regards the conditions. No it wasn`t ice (nor nice), but if it had of been, I still doudt I`d of managed to slide a distance the length of the a/c onto the grass. Not at 2-3 knots and taking a racing line to avoid sharp corners. I`ve no axe to grind whichever the airline, but seeing the pictures of how far this a/c was of the runway/taxiway tells me.......far to much speed/energy. It`s not rocket science. If landing on a contaminated runway, feel free to let rabbits, snails etc overtake you when going round corners.
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Old 23rd Dec 2009, 15:15
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No comment to make on this incident.

But remember reading in the recent past (might have been a post on Pprune) a comment from a pilot who had done many landings on slippery runways in large transport a/c. His advice was always bring the a/c to a complete halt on the runway before proceeding further. He adamant that if all a/c did this we wouldn't see the slide off at the end incidents as a/c vacate the runway.

Of course, we might not be too popular with ATC and following a/c if we did this on a regular basis.
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Old 23rd Dec 2009, 15:24
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I can't believe we haven't had comment/spin from Leo Hairy Camel or The Real Slim Shadey yet!

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Old 23rd Dec 2009, 15:40
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I would be interested to know if Ryan have recommended max taxi speeds for dry and different max taxi speed for wet and different max taxi speed for contamination...straight line and turns.

As an ex L1011 low vis pilot trained by BA way back in 1975/6... we were thouroughly trained on when to use various taxi speeds and to know the speed limitations...the First Officer and Flight engineer were required to positively monitor the captains taxi speed v the taxi chart and call any deviations by observing a fitted cockpit ground speed monitor during taxi...apart from their other duties...20kts/9knots and 3kts and avoid 120degree turns off the runway remain burned in what remains of my brain.
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Old 23rd Dec 2009, 15:44
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Yes they do.

Isn't it astonishing . . . not, that Ryanair falling off a taxiway generates so far 5 pages, whereas an actual CRASH in Jamaica by the same aircraft type is now running at only 3 pages.
Go figure.
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