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Ryanair off piste at PIK (23 Dec 2009)

Old 23rd Dec 2009, 09:31
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They hit ice and went off, most of these all have something to do with weather. Thank God nobody is dead like alot of other airlines that something has happened with weather. So because you dont like Ryanair and MOL you hate their pilots. Look at what happened to AA last night, what happened to AF and EK over the last while. Grow up and step away from the Christmas booze people. Wait till something happens to you and i am sure it will be just down to the weather.
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Old 23rd Dec 2009, 09:36
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So where is the aircraft? Off the end or 45 degrees off the end or off a taxiway? No mention of braking action on METARS - must be ok. Was this the first arrival of the day? Icy taxiways......... down to airport operator? Or were they too fast? FDR data will reveal all in due course.

Bad luck guys. Could happen to any one of us.

I remember a Britannia 767 (I think) sliding unceremoneoulsy into the grass whilst vacating BHX 15. The last 90 degree turn off had a reputation for being slippery when wet - and it was. Just a couple of knots too fast and laws of physics take over....

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Old 23rd Dec 2009, 09:40
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Checkboard: I apologise in advance for going off thread a little but... I fail to see what relevance the Birdsrike last year in Ciampino has to do with the performance of Ryanair crew, and its Aircraft, in fact I believe in this instance(Ciampino) the crew were entitled to as much praise for their skills as the crew of the Hudson river incident.
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Old 23rd Dec 2009, 09:44
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I made no comment for or against the incident.
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Old 23rd Dec 2009, 09:49
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DITTO! And with more than 1000 flights per day of course something will happen eventually. This is a none event. However I think if the CAA would approve of the ICAO braking action system, this might not have happened.
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Old 23rd Dec 2009, 09:52
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Well I guess that Checkboard started the whole off-topic thing.... and yes you did, when you misquoted Oscar Wilde....

Again, as the report on the Limoges incident is still to arrive, no one is to say that anyone was careless. First hand reports points to that runway conditions were far worse than reported and that the captain actually prevented a potentially deadlier version of the incident by cancelling reverse thrust (according to procedure) when the aircraft was about to leave the runway perpendicular to the centerline at a much higher speed.
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Old 23rd Dec 2009, 09:54
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Ah no, Ryanair pilots are becoming like 'asylum seekers', women and the poor. Feeling persecuted against at every avenue. Get over it, you paid for your job - we know it, you know it, you probably wouldn't have been an airline pilot if you didn't do it.

And with more than 1000 flights per day of course something will happen eventually
Great attitude. So statiscally you're pilots are going to kill someone soon? But hey we should accept that so your company can keep on growing.
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Old 23rd Dec 2009, 10:03
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"the captain actually prevented a potentially deadlier version of the incident by cancelling reverse thrust (according to procedure)"

So is it not more accurate to suggest that it was the procedure that prevented a "deadlier version of the incident". No?

This post not intended to offend or get any heckles up, and I have no axe to grind or otherwise towards Ryanair or it's crews.
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Old 23rd Dec 2009, 10:03
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That quote was about the trend - not about any particular incident!
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Old 23rd Dec 2009, 10:08
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Seems to me (as an outsider) that there's truth on both sides here. Yes, it could, and does, happen to anyone; but it does seem to me that we read about it happening to Ryanair more than most. Could be a bunch of reasons: number of flights, use of small airports, penchant for high taxi speeds, schadenfreude among the RYR haters on PPruNE, to name but a few. Take your pick.

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Old 23rd Dec 2009, 10:11
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This is a none event.

If the writer of this is a Ryanair pilot then it speaks volumes about the airlines view on safety-any overun is a serious event.
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Old 23rd Dec 2009, 10:17
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@Helicopterfixerman: I say potato you say potato... Sure, but you still need someone to execute the procedure..

@Checkboard: Not sure the events you list satisfies the critera to constitute a trend but I hear what you are saying...
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Old 23rd Dec 2009, 10:22
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Is an aircraft sliding off the taxi way onto grass considered a serious enough incident to evacuate passengers via the emergency slides and not the aircraft steps?

I would have thought that getting everyone off as quickly as possible would have been paramount?
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Old 23rd Dec 2009, 10:24
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lospilotos - You do indeed, but if he was just implementing a procedure, surely he was just doing his job. No?
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Old 23rd Dec 2009, 10:26
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Thad Jarvis: It's all just part of the grand plan to get runways extended everywhere
So it would seem, but looks like the additional aircraft deployed to Prestwick might be filling a gap for a while first... :-

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Old 23rd Dec 2009, 10:27
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PIK not exactly busiest airport in the world and i would be sure crew would be going dead slow and it just kept rolling. Had one at EMA a few years ago on A300 (not me personally)
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Old 23rd Dec 2009, 10:29
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It will be interesting to see what speed they were doing at the turn off.

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Old 23rd Dec 2009, 10:32
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Dead slow

I have never seen a Rynair 73 go dead slow at Prestwick. Fast taxi appears the norm In fairness conditions appear bad so benefit of the doubt to the crew.
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Old 23rd Dec 2009, 10:32
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@Mr_Meatbomb: To evacuate using slides always adds an extra risk of personal injury. There seems to have been no apparent danger to either passengers, crew nor aircraft, hence to reason to perform an emergency evacuation. After listening to an interview of one of the passengers, he described it as the a/c "coming to a shuttering stop" but he did not even realize they had gone off the runway....

@Heli...: Im not saying the cpt was a hero, not at all like Captain Sullenberger of the famous "Hudson river" who was doing.... errrhhh... let's see, that right: his job....
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Old 23rd Dec 2009, 10:32
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not a bit worried

we are big boys we can handle the pressure and the persecution

pls dont cry for us your tears are not wanted here.

on piste again,

was flying all last week through out europe and every destination (SWE/GER/POL/LAT) i went to was capable of providing breaking actions and keeping the runway clear from contamination during percipitation

why cant we,after 5 days of continous bad weather do the same in the uk.

does anybody know why coefficients or braking actions are not supplied in the uk? is it for litigation reasons?

thanks in advance to anyone who can give me the answer to that

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