They hit ice and went off, most of these all have something to do with weather. Thank God nobody is dead like alot of other airlines that something has happened with weather. So because you dont like Ryanair and MOL you hate their pilots. Look at what happened to AA last night, what happened to AF and EK over the last while. Grow up and step away from the Christmas booze people. Wait till something happens to you and i am sure it will be just down to the weather.