The Weakest Link?

[Monom]

Monom

Just out of interest, would selecting reverse at twenty feet count as "flare reserve"? It sure worked!

[Peterd28]

Well I managed to get through 35 years of it (including a good stint in training) without hearing anything about "Flare Reserve". - I suppose its similar to CRM - I remember sitting next to a rather senior ex BOAC type on one of the first CRM courses. He listened to three days of slide shows, films, presentations etc and said quietly at the end "thought I'd been doing that since I joined "

[postman23]

Never said there was anything wrong with bannertowing, cropdusting or bushflying.

[Larryishappy]

made a good living from all 3 of those postman23

[L337]

I remember sitting next to a rather senior ex BOAC type on one of the first CRM courses.

The senior ex BOAC chap I sat next to, said in a rather over loud voice..

"Well of course cabin crew are a different class."

......

[Robert Campbell]

Re: #44 Flare Reserve

Try "ground effect". The cushion of air compressed between the aircraft and the ground, or water in this case.

It's generally considered to be half the wingspan of the aircraft. Each aircraft is different.

[protectthehornet]

so far...wily has a clue...forget I even mentioned it.

it doesn't have to do with ground effect. ( also known as teal effect)

[slice]

Googled "flare reserve" and found 1 aviation related hit (homebuilt page) other than these pages. Sounds like something someone made up.

Googled "teal effect" and nothing aviation related (lots of colour, fabric references of course)

Someone's having a pull!!

[protectthehornet]

google is not the final authority about everything

teal effect (might be teel effect or something similiar) refers to the pilot's name of plane doomed to ditch. lost two engines or prop runaways, flew near the ground/water for quite awhile getting better range than expected...it was ground effect and christened Teal effect after the pilot's name.

I already mentioned that reserve for flare or flare reserve was in a book I mentioned earlier on

I will no longer address this concept...unless I feel like it

[rottenray]

Larry writes;

made a good living from all 3 of those postman23

That's a bit harsh, Larry. Do you really find fault with pilots who can earn their keep outside the commercial envelop?

Is there really something wrong, in your opine, with General Aviation?

protectthehornet writes:

teal effect (might be teel effect or something similiar

Google is not always the answer, but I can't find anything related searching the NTSB database or anywhere else - can you put up few more details?

[protectthehornet]

what can I tell you? in 1975 I took a ppl ground school and the teacher was a furloughed pan am pilot...he explained ground effect and said it was also called teal effect...named after a guy who ditched after flying for hours at low altitude...and getting more range then he thought due to ground effect.

[Graybeard]

I had Commercial & Instrument ground schools in 1975-6, and learned (was told or read) the same thing. I don't remember the name, Teel, but my ground instructor was Everhardt.

GB

[grumpyoldgeek]

It amazes me that flare reserve is not in the lexicon of your piloting school. I learned it from the author's father's book.

Pulled down "Stick and Rudder" last night and had an entirely enjoyable time rereading the two chapters on landing. His Holiness did not mention flair reserve a single time.

[wilyflier]

Flare reserve

All you old duffers and young geeks. stop nitpicking.
Flare Reserve is just a phrase which is self explanatory and handy to use.
If you didnt hear it before it has been explained
It is a damned sight easier for an old duffer to understand than many of the cryptic in house three letter acronyms that appear in your posts
Just looking for essential clarity in the cockpit.
Enough.Drop it.
...........Wordyflier

[tomferg]

There will always be pilots on board. If not the lawsuits would be directed at the manufacturers and management and they could not fall back on PILOT ERROR .

[Pugilistic Animus]

Tomferg

never thought of it that way before--true, true

[parabellum]

Another reason there will always be pilots on board is security. If control from the ground fell into the wrong hands or was sabotaged the mayhem that would follow would make 9/11 pale into insignificance.

[protectthehornet]

john lear on john lear

some of you may get an e mail telling the story of john lear ( son of developer of the lear jet)...

in this interesting story he uses the term "T" effect...this is just another proof of the teal effect that I mentioned above. It is old time talk...but the older the pilot you are, the better (old pilots, bold pilots, but no old bold pilots)

and for flare reserve...I can't tell you what book I found it in...but the only books that are worth their salt on flying are:

''Stick and Rudder''

''Fly the Wing''

''Handling the Big jets''

So, some of you kids out there might read them all and see if flare reserve is in or mentioned in the above...or forget it.

(I am just including non fiction books at this time...certainly in fiction one can add a number of fine books)

[p51guy]

I read two of those books 30 years ago and learned a lot. Questions on low speed mach buffet and other things not taught in most flying manuals were answered in Stick and Rudder and Flying the big jets. Fly by wire will never be put in their category. I just ordered three of Sully's books and expect them to be interesting reading and great Christmas gifts. I won't buy Fly by wire but it would be interesting to see how he came up with some of his ideas like the Airbus engineer hero of his. Sully said himself that the type of aircraft making that landing didn't matter.

[Jump Complete]

Just a small point, p51guy; 'Flying the Big Jets' is a book written by Stanley Stewart (BA pilot) explaining for the layman / spotter about modern airline flying. 'Handling the big Jets' (which I think you meant!) is a text book by D P Davies and is the classic reference on the handling characteristics of swept wing jet aircraft.