FAA to probe near-collision involving Midwest jet

[By George]

I fly into LAX alot and it's normal to land on 24R and depart on 24L (which is longer, hence used for departures). After a long Pacific crossing everybody is dead tired and crossing that 'live' runway requires not only good ears but good situation awareness as to who is where. A simple solution would to lengthen Right and use it for departures and land on left. Its easier to monitor a crossing at low speed with a good view of the approaches than one at relative high speed on an angled highspeed taxi-way looking over your shoulder. LAX is not the place to have a 'blind spot'. The new red light system is a start, but it needs more. I know its a simple instruction and simple to obey, but if you miss it, things can turn into that brown stuff in an instant.

[EternalNY1]

Pilot Error

Yes, it can. If you are unable to do so you only lack imagination.

How does TWA 800 having a center fuel tank explode, or Alaska 261 having a jackscrew fail and flying upside down for a bit, or ValuJet 592 (the list goes on and on) have anything to do with pilot error?

[Pugilistic Animus]

The FAA tries to blames us and some pilots help THEIR cause--you know I think when conroller up the get retrained we get 91.13'ed runway incursions are a major SYSTEM fault that involves many factors,...pilots should perhaps pay more attention to specific airport procedures to reduce useless or redundant transmissions

but as many here already explained it ain't that easy in real life,...I once almost taxied in front a gulfstream on TO but I was looking and stopped even though I WAS NOT issued hold short instructions [this is the US],...yes an ASR was filed,...but that would not have helped me in the cemetery

guard lights TWY centerline lights etc....are just a start,...we are close to a another disaster I feel it

PA

[Pugilistic Animus]

right with you there EternalNY1

PA

[cessnapuppy]

How does TWA 800 having a center fuel tank explode...
.. Pilot should have shifted fuel to other tanks prior.
should not have been running A/C system so long.
Pilot should have not taken off* ( *Ok, I'll grant you the TWA 800 one)


or Alaska 261 having a jackscrew fail ...
The final failure and resulting unrecoverable upset was caused by jiggling **** around to unjam the stabilizer.

Originally Posted by from wikipeedia

Also included was a recommendation that pilots were to be instructed that in the event of a flight control system malfunction they should not attempt corrective procedures beyond those specified in the checklist procedures, and in particular in the event of a horizontal stabilizer trim control system malfunction the primary and alternate trim motors should not be activated, and if unable to correct the problem through the checklists they should land at the nearest suitable airport.

ValuJet 592

Many families of the Flight 592 victims were outraged that ValuJet was not prosecuted, given ValuJet's poor safety record. ValuJet had a higher accident rate than the 10 largest airlines, leading the FAA to take the unprecedented step of barring it from buying more planes or adding more cities without permission.[citation needed] The agency had seriously considered grounding the airline. The victims' families also point to statements made by ValuJet officials immediately after the crash that appeared to indicate ValuJet knew the generators were on the plane, and in fact had ordered them returned to Atlanta rather than properly disposed

"The pilots were advantageously placed to know of Valujet's safety shennanigans but the record does not indicate they did anything but continue to fly for Valujet and accept a salary for doing so. They practiced willful ignorance and criminal negligence by not blowing the whistle or taking action on what they knew or were reasonably expected to be in a position to know.

Assigning "pilot error" doesn't have to be fair when its done

[Pugilistic Animus]

Cessnapuppy what a 's BS reportage I missed those word orignally in the report perhaps my mind did not want to see themno wonder the media is soo stupid they're fed crap right from the NTSB!!!

I guess they do alway blame us

the pilots of the AA dc-10 should have taped the donk back on not follewd company procedures and assure that maintence personell follwed procedure

Re flight 800 perhaps they should have informed the US Navy not to shoot them down

[xetroV]

Originally Posted by EternalNY1

"Yes, it can. If you are unable to do so you only lack imagination."
How does TWA 800 having a center fuel tank explode, or Alaska 261 having a jackscrew fail and flying upside down for a bit, or ValuJet 592 (the list goes on and on) have anything to do with pilot error?

Don't take my remark out of its context, please! I'm saying that, using kenhughes' logic (not mine!), everything (well, okay, at least almost everything) can be attributed to pilot error. I'm also saying that this way of thinking is pointless and counter-productive if the goal is to increase safety. As I stated in the part of my post that you didn't quote, kenhughes is discrediting a perfectly sound suggestion to install a safety-enhancing device at LAX, because he thinks pilots just shouldn't make errors.

That's an old-fashioned, and ultimately dangerous, way of thinking that favours the assignment of blame over true progress in the safety of the aviation system.