BALPA BA Ballot 94% In Favour
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BALPA BA Ballot 94% In Favour
94% BA PILOTS VOTE YES TO COST REDUCTION PACKAGE
Commenting on today's ballot result, in which 94% of BA pilots voted in an 83% poll in favour of a cost-saving package which will save the Company £26m per year, Jim McAuslan said:
'This is an unaccustomed position for a union to be in but we have pressure tested the company's trading position and cost base and are satisfied that this step is necessary to help BA recover its position as one of the world's most successful airlines.
'Our members have backed that judgment and are leading the way in contributing to the turn-round plan. The package of measures will be implemented as soon as BA demonstrates delivery of the cost saving targets across the whole company.'
Commenting on today's ballot result, in which 94% of BA pilots voted in an 83% poll in favour of a cost-saving package which will save the Company £26m per year, Jim McAuslan said:
'This is an unaccustomed position for a union to be in but we have pressure tested the company's trading position and cost base and are satisfied that this step is necessary to help BA recover its position as one of the world's most successful airlines.
'Our members have backed that judgment and are leading the way in contributing to the turn-round plan. The package of measures will be implemented as soon as BA demonstrates delivery of the cost saving targets across the whole company.'
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'Our members have backed that judgment and are leading the way in contributing to the turn-round plan. The package of measures will be implemented as soon as BA demonstrates delivery of the cost saving targets across the whole company.'
And therin lies the key - their members incomes could well be pretty safe as they are. For the time being, at least.
And therin lies the key - their members incomes could well be pretty safe as they are. For the time being, at least.
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By sidelining themselves, the pilot work force have bought themselves a future and a possibility of "jam tomorrow". But, with little or no cabin crew to run the services if they go on strike, have they factored in the loss of flying pay any stand-down might bring?
Plus, if both sides of the strike stick chins out to the 'bitter' end, will there be enough pilot jobs in London Airways (2009) plc to go round?
And, if the company folds, to pheonix into Ldn Awys, what will become of the pension schemes various?
I think in the long run BALPA and its members have played a shrewed move, but only if the scenarios based on their strategy play out correctly.
"Bing Bong, British Airways announce the arrival of their summer of discontent made inglorious by that son of Eire and BASSA"
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Sir George Cayley
Plus, if both sides of the strike stick chins out to the 'bitter' end, will there be enough pilot jobs in London Airways (2009) plc to go round?
And, if the company folds, to pheonix into Ldn Awys, what will become of the pension schemes various?
I think in the long run BALPA and its members have played a shrewed move, but only if the scenarios based on their strategy play out correctly.
"Bing Bong, British Airways announce the arrival of their summer of discontent made inglorious by that son of Eire and BASSA"
MGHMOYS
Sir George Cayley
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Blimey, a thread I'm not banned from! 
How on earth do you do that?
What makes you think that any BASSA ballot won't collapse like a pack of cards when it comes to the nitty gritty?
have they factored in the loss of flying pay any stand-down might bring?
What makes you think that any BASSA ballot won't collapse like a pack of cards when it comes to the nitty gritty?
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It's a bit simplistic to say is pay up or down. The issue is pay vs productivity. The pay will hopefully be up, but if the productivity increase exceeds the pay rise then pay is down in real terms and my opinion is that that is going to be the case.
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No idea how to quote on this thing but this one's for you CP.
Flying pay reduction permanent - yeah, that's sh!te.
Increase in productivity - sorry, is that a problem? if it were my train set, every department would be as productive as possible. End of discussion.
yotty's statement about pay dipping for 'only a year or so' is dead on. Quick math shows me not actually ever being worse off than now - I do stand by for correction, however, as I have an incredible knack for being wrong.
Still a job for life? Not a chance; my condolences if you think that it is.
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Flying pay reduction permanent - yeah, that's sh!te.
Increase in productivity - sorry, is that a problem? if it were my train set, every department would be as productive as possible. End of discussion.
yotty's statement about pay dipping for 'only a year or so' is dead on. Quick math shows me not actually ever being worse off than now - I do stand by for correction, however, as I have an incredible knack for being wrong.
Still a job for life? Not a chance; my condolences if you think that it is.
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Buter - go work out what you would have been earning over a career at BA compared to what you will be earning now. Then put your party poppers back in the box and recognise a pay cut for what it is.
PS As you are already contracted to fly 900 hrs per year think about what an 8/12 hrs CAP increase actually means.
PS As you are already contracted to fly 900 hrs per year think about what an 8/12 hrs CAP increase actually means.
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Career? You don't read so well then.
You might be contracted to 900 hours a year - I ain't!
A pay cut is a pay cut and it's shi!te, as I've said.
I've got a place for your poppers.
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You might be contracted to 900 hours a year - I ain't!
A pay cut is a pay cut and it's shi!te, as I've said.
I've got a place for your poppers.
Cheers
Buter
Getting the business in
Whilst I think the BALPA ballot result is good news, and whilst I hope that Unite can take over from the lhr geriatrics CC union, and make a good deal, I do worry a bit about BA pricing.
Others are lowering prices on what looks to be a permanent basis - or at least until the global economy picks up.
BA appears to be running campaigns.................which I'm sure are carefully targetted and marketted, but which don't meet my/my family's needs. How many other families out there might give their spend to competitors if BA keep up these higher - than - the - competition list prices?
Others are lowering prices on what looks to be a permanent basis - or at least until the global economy picks up.
BA appears to be running campaigns.................which I'm sure are carefully targetted and marketted, but which don't meet my/my family's needs. How many other families out there might give their spend to competitors if BA keep up these higher - than - the - competition list prices?
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Sorry folks, you've got to look at the pension liabilities
I took mine many years ago. I'd hate to be a working member now
I took mine many years ago. I'd hate to be a working member now
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BALPA BA Ballot 94% In Favour
They should of waited for the "forced merger" with the other well know Euro airline before giving away any concessions....
Those who believe BA will be still be around with out some sort of merger will be in for a surprise....
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this company has, I believe, had a pension deficit greater than its capitalisation value for several years now.
Whether it is making £401M or losing a similar amount ON PAPER, it hasn't had the cash to do anything about this deficit fior years.
Nor will saving the odd £10M here or there do much to help the defificit - this amount probably equates to less than a week's fuel.
So saving the airline, and fixing the pension issue are two independant issues.
An open and honest acceptance of their position combined with radical cutbacks may possibly achieve the first - but how they rectify the second seems to have been beyond them for years.
Whether it is making £401M or losing a similar amount ON PAPER, it hasn't had the cash to do anything about this deficit fior years.
Nor will saving the odd £10M here or there do much to help the defificit - this amount probably equates to less than a week's fuel.
So saving the airline, and fixing the pension issue are two independant issues.
An open and honest acceptance of their position combined with radical cutbacks may possibly achieve the first - but how they rectify the second seems to have been beyond them for years.