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Ilyushin Freighter crashed into Lake Victoria

Old 11th Mar 2009, 09:25
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Birdstrike

I understand that the birdstrikes at night in EBB are in fact "Bat-strikes". Remember this accident happened early morning.
The engineers say the bats are nothing to worry about.

Also they say best is to keep your (landing)lights off as long as possible since the lights attract them.

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Old 11th Mar 2009, 09:35
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RPG strike

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Old 11th Mar 2009, 09:59
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I understand that the birdstrikes at night in EBB are in fact "Bat-strikes"..... best is to keep your (landing)lights off as long as possible since the lights attract them.

consider that well known phrase as blind as a ______

you fill in the blank

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You wrote: "RPG"
Is that a theory, a guess, or do you know something we don't?

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SA plane crash victim identified

11/03/2009 09:42 - (SA)


Erika Gibson, Beeld
Pretoria - He had spent four-and-a-half years in Iraq without getting hurt, but two months after his return, he died in a plane crash in Uganda.
Duncan Rykaart, a former Special Forces operator and colonel, was one of 11 people aboard a Ilyushin 76 cargo plane that crashed into Lake Victoria on Monday.
He had been working for Bancroft Global Development, an American company specialising in research on explosive devices and landmines, since January. The company advises the African Union's peacekeeping troops in Somalia.
"Duncan wanted to do something completely different and so he started working for us from January," said Rocky van Blerk, programme director at Bancroft on Tuesday.
He and Rykaart had known each other since 1979, when both where operators at the 5 Reconnaissance regiment in Phalaborwa.
"I spoke to him the night before the accident. Shortly after five o'clock the next morning, I got a call that the plane had crashed."
Rykaart was married with two children. His widow, Amanda, said on Tuesday that the search for the remains of the victims was continuing, but the wreck lay under 26m of water and oil.
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Old 11th Mar 2009, 10:51
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my 2 cent .. If it was an RPG, must be a really really lucky shot, or the plane was really struggling to gain altitude passing the runway ..

RPGs aimed higher have tendancy to rush to the earth due to their front heavy design ..
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Old 11th Mar 2009, 11:53
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It is very sad to hear that a man with a distinguished military career was on board, it does make you wonder if a man like that would have chosen to fly on an aircraft with such a pedigree when he was in Iraq? I also doubt whether there were proper seats available for 7 pax?
I also hear that the aircraft had experienced some "technical problems" before this flight departed.....
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Old 11th Mar 2009, 11:54
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You wrote: "RPG"
Is that a theory, a guess, or do you know something we don't?

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Old 11th Mar 2009, 16:55
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For more background go to Freight Dogs and read the post by ocnus on the Il 76 thread.
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Old 11th Mar 2009, 20:20
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So shot down or caught fire and crashed or birdstrike or??
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Old 11th Mar 2009, 20:31
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Chaps

I know nothing about this accident but I would suggest that the ‘famous’ YouTube video of a late unstuck quoted on post 18 this thread is not what it seems.

Aeroplanes need two things to unstick – speed and angle of attack. At unstuck the aircraft on YouTube certainly had speed but it had a negligible nose up attitude showing a low angle of attack. In short this is what you see when a wind up merchant leaves his aircraft on the ground until just before the end of the runway and then (thanks to the excess speed) is able to unstuck and fly away without the normal post rotation high nose up attitude.

Works every time with a lot of onlookers - especially with a large aircraft that always seem to be crawling along after takeoff when compared to its smaller brethren.

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Old 11th Mar 2009, 22:22
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Or explosive device placed on board by fundementalist extremists who do not like what the AU's AMSOM (Mission in Somalia) are doing in Mogadishu to establish an orderly administration and trying to keep peace and a semblence of order.

Rebels shot down two IL-76's with RPG-7's in Mogadishu last year, one on landing and one on departure.

Its not a secret that the same rebels have been threatening for the past 3 or 4 months to shoot down this aircraft bringing in supplies, also, and have been attempting unsuccessfully to hit it while on the ground with mortar fire at MGQ airport.

Next best if not possible to get at it in MGQ, try at EBB where the same fanatics enjoy substantial support from a like-minded community and sympathisers.

Suggest responsibly hold your horses till more info/facts are known.

Dont think Four Wings is far wrong. At 14.5 tons cargo payload, and 0300Z, that plane could have gone out there with 2 engines!
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Hey!! what happened to my post asking John Miller where he qualified as a journalist?
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Old 11th Mar 2009, 22:54
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You may have B1tch slapped him a bit too much.............
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Four Wings, if your report is true they're tidy operators, or boat based...

either way its a whole new threat for Entebbe...

Personally, I won't believe it just yet.
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John Farley

You seem to know very little about the center of lift on some Russian designs. Quite a few ILs and Antonovs climb away in a nose DOWN attitude. No idea why they are designed that way, but they are....

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You've obviously never been on a freighter - guess, they don't do them in MSFS
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I hope you are realise whose experience and knowledge you are questioning there matey perhaps not if your title is correct
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Old 12th Mar 2009, 01:30
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Oh dear, when will it stop... think we've had our due for one year.

Good luck to the investigators, who I'm sure will produce another learning curve for us to have a look at. It's a tough job, but someone has to do it.
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Old 12th Mar 2009, 13:24
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re RPG strike.

You might call it Zakharov's credit crunch. Read Ocnus and draw your own conclusions.
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Old 12th Mar 2009, 13:35
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You seem to know very little about the center of lift on some Russian designs.
That's me put straight then

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