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Ilyushin Freighter crashed into Lake Victoria

Old 9th Mar 2009, 22:45
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Il-76 generally confirmed by everyone...a small change in thread title is overdue...

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Old 9th Mar 2009, 23:52
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Air planes

Yes, but, I would be more than happy if ground crew were to agree that our collective objective is that what we call airplanes be able to maintain a positive gradient beyond the end of the runway.
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Old 10th Mar 2009, 01:16
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Thanks for that I have been informed that it seems to be a storing point for Suppies going into some places over there. I thought today that they would be direct rather than risk the loss before getting to their intended destinations.
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Old 10th Mar 2009, 03:13
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TOW = RWY length AVAIL, simple only one calculation req'd.

Many be just a few too many kg's on this Take Off

Yes T/O perf cal = how much RWY did we use last time.

OK 10m more available, = 10 more tons to uplift next time.

Simple calculation with devastating consequences.
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Old 10th Mar 2009, 03:42
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OK, what's the issue? It is Africa, and if you have flown there then you would understand...
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Old 10th Mar 2009, 08:56
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The main reason for thos post, although I am dead against journalists using this forum, I hope someone picks up on this and actually starts writing and asking serious questions of the aviation authorities in the middle east, Ukraine, Russia and the african continent. Bear in mind alot of these aircraft are contratcted by the United Nations also. Let's hope these are not going to be any more lives lost unnecessarily!!!!!
Here's one journalist (and pilot) using this forum. The trouble is, it's very rare to find anyone amongst the Russian aircraft operators willing to talk to the media about anything. It's also virtually impossible to obtain any positive stories from the CIS aviation community so everything ends up in the newspapers after some disaster or other. The operators and to a large extent, airframe manufacturers, have themselves to thank for the low regard for their industry.

No one talks and nothing can be substantiated. I have in the past attempted to write insightful and impartial pieces on CIS-related subjects including cargo operators in Africa and the Middle East. They are hugely distrustful of the media - even the aviation press and haven't a clue how to build PR relationships (unlike US or European operators). It comes across as always having something to hide.
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Old 10th Mar 2009, 11:37
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Dyncorp etc

IF the aircraft was chartered by DynCorp (mission statement "We serve today for a safe tomorrow") and IF it was carrying supplies for the military in Somalia, why are the Ugandan authorities allowing a flag of convenience operator to use their airspace? My understanding is that the IL76 has been banned in Uganda for some time due to safety concerns however exemptions are regularly granted for "military operations". This should not IMHO allow the U.N. to use operators who are not considered safe in the vast majority of the world's civilised countries and who is allowing DynCorp to use such carriers?
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Old 10th Mar 2009, 13:02
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One also needs to look at the possibility of a temp inversion.

Knowing African met, the crew did prob not know it existed until they hit it!

How often do you find out about the inversion - often after the 1st dep of the morning and they inform ATC?

Met info down here is never the best around. If this is the case, you have to sympathise with the crew
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Old 10th Mar 2009, 13:47
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Temp Inversion

If you have to worry about a temperature inversion as it relates to climb performance I am willing to bet my left n"t you are a wee bit too heavy.
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Old 10th Mar 2009, 14:39
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Crash investigation

I have no doubt that the Sao Tome Civil Aviation Authority will conduct a full and thorough investigation and the facts will be known shortly.
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Old 10th Mar 2009, 14:52
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A bird strike is very probable taking off from Entebbe out over the lake. Why you may ask?

Well because there is a bird sanctuary between the end of the runway & the lake.

A 'kite" (big bird) with a 14ft wingspan does an awful lot of damage to an engine!
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Old 10th Mar 2009, 15:00
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Is this the same Aerolift that broke an An-12 at Luxor in February?

South Africa: Aerolift
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Old 10th Mar 2009, 17:07
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One and the same Aerolift IE. Vicktor Boutīs company run by his henchmen.
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Old 10th Mar 2009, 17:12
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Could be (another) massive birdstrike. There is a large bird sanctuary close to Entebbes runway. At dawn the inhabitants go and find breakfast and take it back to the now warming runway to consume as it's a nice place to be. It's always been a problem but eases off after about 1000 when its too hot for the birds to sit around in the sun.
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Old 10th Mar 2009, 20:36
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S9 registration

The S9 part of the registration is Sao Tome & Principe, a small group of islands of the west coast of Africa. Once owned by the Portugese. I think it must be a place of convenience to register old aircraft.

As an aside, Registration marks on aircraft generally follow from a historical sense the call signs alloted to each country in the 1930s by the ITU (Internation Telegraph Union). Hence Axx and Nxx was given to the USA. But only the N letter used for aircraft.

So sounds like a strange load or task?
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Old 10th Mar 2009, 21:35
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Appreciate it's your first post, but suggest you read some of the earlier posts, especially #11 and #32 (which is ever so slightly tongue in cheek methinks).
There are a number of flags (registrations) of convenience in use, and this is considered to be one of them.
You are probably aware that there is a Brit (Simon Mann) in jail in Sao Tome for gun-running.
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Old 10th Mar 2009, 23:02
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Simon Mann is in Black Beach prison Malabo which unless its been moved is in Equatorial Guinea Not Sao Tome. BTW If you ever fly in that area do take your GPS with you or you could get into a lot of trouble geographicaly and politicaly not to mention financialy.
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Old 10th Mar 2009, 23:30
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Mea culpa!

That's what you get for PPRuNeing and watching Liverpool thrash Real at the same time!
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Old 11th Mar 2009, 00:09
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They are hugely distrustful of the media
That goes with the territory. Journalists as I have seen them, sell stories. That includes whatever it takes to make the story appealing so for anyone to be distrustful, its a no brainer.
As to operators and the media in this case. Consider that "Supplies", be they Tents or Toilet paper are on a need to know basis. Dyncorp contracting through the state department sort of indicates you dont have a need to know..........
What should be public information, once it has been established, may be the cause of the accident. A lot of the Russian Aircraft operating in Africa have been given a bad rap and in many cases rightfully so.
Little has yet been posted on this one and nobody has yet claimed responsibility for "knocking it out of the sky".
So Journalist or not, its a wait and see what we are allowed to know.
I only hope that its not something related to the aircraft that needs to be fixed so that others do not suffer the same fate.
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Old 11th Mar 2009, 08:19
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Maximum Take Off Weight (Mass) - what'yre talkin' about?

There's plenty of room left . . . fill it up.

Rest assured, the lake flies and lots of birds are still there and it's hot and high, it's in Africa, it's a Russian aeroplane, and you really don't need to be overweight . . .

'Making sure there's no tomorrow'.
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