FR to charge for cabin crew uniforms !!
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FR to charge for cabin crew uniforms !!
According to a report in today's STAR (Irish tabloid) new cabin crew with FR are being asked to "fork out" £450 to buy their Ryanair uniform.Is this an oppertunity for staff to rent branding space on their uniform for the FR logo etc.I,d love to be the one entering the bear pit with this suggestion.Now all you drivers should not feel so bad about a measley £50 for a c.v
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Hmmm ... interesting. This is not an entirely novel concept, of course. I know of one airline from my own past which bonded its cabin crew uniforms. If the employee left before two years of service they were required to pay the airline a sum of money on a sliding scale. The moolah was deducted from final pay. 
I think the poor retiree was permitted to keep the wings as a momento.
Needless to say, that airline no longer exists. And here's hoping that FR ends up the same way, for it deserves nothing better.
I think the poor retiree was permitted to keep the wings as a momento.
Needless to say, that airline no longer exists. And here's hoping that FR ends up the same way, for it deserves nothing better.
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If you don't like FR, dont work for them, don't fly on them. Just like WN in the US, these are well run airlines, they make money. If they were so bad, people would not fly on them and they would go broke. My guess is, sort of like the airline you work for! How are they doing financially?
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I respect Ryanair for many things - I like its low-cost operation and strategy. I like its use of 737-800s on high-utilization schedules. I like its use of secondary or tertiary airport locations to reduce costs. I like its "no-frills" way of keeping costs low.
However, this takes the cake! I believe Southwest pays for its crewmembers' uniforms (although the flight attendants don't wear much in the summer - nice shorts on the ladies!). Management doesn't seem to think much about its employees' morale, etc.
Flying the 737-800 for Ryanair must be VERY enjoyable and lucrative because putting up with everything else would be a bit tiring and difficult... Ryanair's management needs to take a better look at how Southwest treats its HAPPY employees if they want to fully duplicate its resounding success...
Good luck!
However, this takes the cake! I believe Southwest pays for its crewmembers' uniforms (although the flight attendants don't wear much in the summer - nice shorts on the ladies!). Management doesn't seem to think much about its employees' morale, etc.
Flying the 737-800 for Ryanair must be VERY enjoyable and lucrative because putting up with everything else would be a bit tiring and difficult... Ryanair's management needs to take a better look at how Southwest treats its HAPPY employees if they want to fully duplicate its resounding success...
Good luck!
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Owning the uniform...hmmm,
I'd have so many logos rented out on it I would look like an F1 driver. Big Nike swoop on the back, Oracle, Coca-cola, GE Capital, Starbucks...you name it...all over. Handy second income.
I'd have so many logos rented out on it I would look like an F1 driver. Big Nike swoop on the back, Oracle, Coca-cola, GE Capital, Starbucks...you name it...all over. Handy second income.
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Having watched the money programme this evening, I can understand why people have a dislike of Ryanair. Their Chief Exec pops up and thinks he knows everything there is to know about running an airline. He speaks as though he's just been to one of those tacky US marketing seminars, with his no-nonsense ideas and his "giving customers what they want" cheap quips.
The novelty WILL wear off and the bubble WILL burst sooner or later. I dont believe Ryanair or Easyjet will go bust, but I do believe that their prices will probably creep up over time. At the same time, airlines such as BA and BMi will be slimming down and economising their operations, until the point where the price difference in economy seats between the big guys and the low costs will be marginal.
THEN, who will people choose to fly with given a choice? Dublin to Copenhagen - or is it Malmo?? Add the cost of the train fare & the inconvenience.
The markets over-excitement will wane, the share price will decrease slightly, whilst long term confidence in the major carriers will boost their share price.
On an even playing field, who would you put your money on?
If Ryanair is a no-nonsense airline, explain this please:
PAYMENT DETAILS
********49.98 GBP Adults
*********4.00 GBP Fees
*********5.00 GBP Service Charges
*********1.60 GBP Ins Levy/PSC
*********5.00 GBP UK Air Duty
*********0.00 GBP Government Tax
*********0.00 GBP Airport Tax
*********0.00 GBP Car rental
*********0.00 GBP Insurance
********65.58 GBP Total Paid
...and I thought my BT Phone bill was bad!
This started out life as an advert for flights from "Liverpool to Dublin £9.99!"
[ 07 November 2001: Message edited by: WAIF-er ]
The novelty WILL wear off and the bubble WILL burst sooner or later. I dont believe Ryanair or Easyjet will go bust, but I do believe that their prices will probably creep up over time. At the same time, airlines such as BA and BMi will be slimming down and economising their operations, until the point where the price difference in economy seats between the big guys and the low costs will be marginal.
THEN, who will people choose to fly with given a choice? Dublin to Copenhagen - or is it Malmo?? Add the cost of the train fare & the inconvenience.
The markets over-excitement will wane, the share price will decrease slightly, whilst long term confidence in the major carriers will boost their share price.
On an even playing field, who would you put your money on?
If Ryanair is a no-nonsense airline, explain this please:
PAYMENT DETAILS
********49.98 GBP Adults
*********4.00 GBP Fees
*********5.00 GBP Service Charges
*********1.60 GBP Ins Levy/PSC
*********5.00 GBP UK Air Duty
*********0.00 GBP Government Tax
*********0.00 GBP Airport Tax
*********0.00 GBP Car rental
*********0.00 GBP Insurance
********65.58 GBP Total Paid
...and I thought my BT Phone bill was bad!
This started out life as an advert for flights from "Liverpool to Dublin £9.99!"
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I watched the money programme, too. And really enjoyed it, until MOL started to dish out his usual cr@p. If he had to pay prime time TV rates for his ‘advert’, then perhaps he wouldn’t be able to sell seats at £5.
First he charges applicants a £50.00 processing fee, now crews have to pay for their uniforms. I guess we will soon see the introduction of coin-op toilets on board FR aircraft. That way passengers will pay twice for each drink they purchase on board the aircraft.
First he charges applicants a £50.00 processing fee, now crews have to pay for their uniforms. I guess we will soon see the introduction of coin-op toilets on board FR aircraft. That way passengers will pay twice for each drink they purchase on board the aircraft.
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Yep it is true
all FR pilots will pay for their uniforms,medicals,pensions...the lot...
next MOL will have them paying for the SIM that they do their re-currency in.
I know that times are hard and not many carriers hiring....but does one really want to work for MOL and put up with all they cr@p that goes with it......not me...
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all FR pilots will pay for their uniforms,medicals,pensions...the lot...
next MOL will have them paying for the SIM that they do their re-currency in.
I know that times are hard and not many carriers hiring....but does one really want to work for MOL and put up with all they cr@p that goes with it......not me...
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It is generally accepted that there is a total climate of fear ruling within FR, that it does not pay to upset a friend of the ruling clique, and that corners are cut with regard to safety. Also that if you object to such corners being cut, you don't tend to last long. They have been clocked taxying at speeds in excess of 70 mph, fuel has been trimmed on occasion to less than the legal minimum, and while they may be making money currently and are popular with many of the punters, this is not the only measure of a good airline.
My personal opinion (FWIW, and you can take or leave this as you like) is that FR are very far from being a safe airline. I fully understand tilii's posting above, and while I know that tilii, like my, would never wish anyone out of a job, aviation would be a safer place without FR.
My personal opinion (FWIW, and you can take or leave this as you like) is that FR are very far from being a safe airline. I fully understand tilii's posting above, and while I know that tilii, like my, would never wish anyone out of a job, aviation would be a safer place without FR.
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Actually, I think he's fairly even handed - he fired his chief pilot's daughter! In most other airlines, she'd have been a Captain as soon as she has 1,000 hours...
Nothing wrong with making your people pay for everything - teaches them responsibility - but at the same time you have to look after them well financially. I understand that FR does this - at least for those with plenty of time on type/time in the company.
For one of my African ops, I came up with the concept a few years back of flogging the crews shares in 'their' aircraft (Let 410s). You'd be amazed at how well those aircraft were looked after following that - and how much extra the crews earned as their profit-share.
Perhaps that's the next stage MO'L should look at!
Nothing wrong with making your people pay for everything - teaches them responsibility - but at the same time you have to look after them well financially. I understand that FR does this - at least for those with plenty of time on type/time in the company.
For one of my African ops, I came up with the concept a few years back of flogging the crews shares in 'their' aircraft (Let 410s). You'd be amazed at how well those aircraft were looked after following that - and how much extra the crews earned as their profit-share.
Perhaps that's the next stage MO'L should look at!
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I have said above that it is my opinion that FR deserves nothing better than to no longer exist. I stand by that.
Furthermore, I agree wholeheartedly with Hugmonster's post above in that I believe it to be a less safe airline than most (well said Huggie).
For the record, I've never applied to join FR, nor would I ever wish to do so. I have far too much self-respect to even contemplate the idea.
I have heard and read so much about it that is to its eternal discredit that I not only believe it ought not to exist but truly believe it will ultimately go under. This despite its current favourable market position.
My only "hope" in this matter is that it does not go down in the smoking wreckage of a fully laden B737.
I have said above that it is my opinion that FR deserves nothing better than to no longer exist. I stand by that.
Furthermore, I agree wholeheartedly with Hugmonster's post above in that I believe it to be a less safe airline than most (well said Huggie).
For the record, I've never applied to join FR, nor would I ever wish to do so. I have far too much self-respect to even contemplate the idea.
I have heard and read so much about it that is to its eternal discredit that I not only believe it ought not to exist but truly believe it will ultimately go under. This despite its current favourable market position.
My only "hope" in this matter is that it does not go down in the smoking wreckage of a fully laden B737.
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I would suggest a few of the previous posters on this thread, to read the small book: Who moved my cheese by MD Spencer Johnson. Actually, I'm not going to suggest it, I dare you!
It's a book about how we react to change and that is very relevant in our industry right now.
It's a book about how we react to change and that is very relevant in our industry right now.
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There are those of us who read books and those of us who write them. Which of us do you believe are the original thinkers?
In any event, I cannot recall ever being so impressed by an MD that I would wish to read his book, especially on the subject of cheese and our reaction to change.
With great respect, you react your way and I'll react mine.
There are those of us who read books and those of us who write them. Which of us do you believe are the original thinkers?
In any event, I cannot recall ever being so impressed by an MD that I would wish to read his book, especially on the subject of cheese and our reaction to change.
With great respect, you react your way and I'll react mine.
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Spot on Huggie. I’ve flown with FR several times in the dim and distant, and put up with the odd missing safety card & lap belt (which would have been interesting if the flight had been full) in the interests of getting to PIK for £25 return.
These days, a little older and a lot more cautious, I avoid them at all costs. Firstly on principle – I want nothing to do with an airline whose response to September 11th is to change people £50 for the privilege of having their CV read.
Secondly, my gut feeling is that that kind of tactic is a telling comment on the way the company is run – if that’s their approach to recruitment, what else are they prepared to do in the name of profitability / cost –cutting? At the very least, it can’t be the happiest of places to work.
These days, a little older and a lot more cautious, I avoid them at all costs. Firstly on principle – I want nothing to do with an airline whose response to September 11th is to change people £50 for the privilege of having their CV read.
Secondly, my gut feeling is that that kind of tactic is a telling comment on the way the company is run – if that’s their approach to recruitment, what else are they prepared to do in the name of profitability / cost –cutting? At the very least, it can’t be the happiest of places to work.
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What makes you think that my post was directed at you? Don't you read anything at all? Do you only write?
I would find it hard to only write, but we are all different. But if you should ever take up reading, it's actually a good book.
What makes you think that my post was directed at you? Don't you read anything at all? Do you only write?
I would find it hard to only write, but we are all different. But if you should ever take up reading, it's actually a good book.
