Crash at ZRH
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Crash at ZRH
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Eine Maschine ist um ca. 22.16 Uhr beim Landeanflug auf Kloten vom Radar verschwunden. Nähere Details sind noch nicht bekannt. Ein Grossaufgebot der Feuerwehr ist vor Ort.
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A plane has vanished from the radar screens around 22.16 while on approach to Zurich Kloten. Fire response teams have been dispatched to the accident site.
Initial reports say it is a Crossair RJ100.
[ 24 November 2001: Message edited by: Iain ]
Eine Maschine ist um ca. 22.16 Uhr beim Landeanflug auf Kloten vom Radar verschwunden. Nähere Details sind noch nicht bekannt. Ein Grossaufgebot der Feuerwehr ist vor Ort.
Roughly translated:
A plane has vanished from the radar screens around 22.16 while on approach to Zurich Kloten. Fire response teams have been dispatched to the accident site.
Initial reports say it is a Crossair RJ100.
[ 24 November 2001: Message edited by: Iain ]
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was on fligh LX 3597 from Berlin-Tegel to ZRH. Initial reports said it was an Avro RJ100 HB-IXM (built 1996)
Damn, another hit into "Mount Stadel" ??
At the time it was dark in falling snow...
I only hope somebody survived
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Damn, another hit into "Mount Stadel" ??
At the time it was dark in falling snow...
I only hope somebody survived
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Terrible news. Swissinfo has a bit more:
A small Crossair Jumbolino jet, carrying 32 passengers, has crashed during its approach into Zurich-Kloten airport, killing at least seven people.
A spokesman for Zurich’s cantonal police said the scheduled flight LX3597 went down in a wooded area in Birchwil near Bassersdorf shortly after 22.08 on Saturday evening.
Manfred Winkler, a spokesman for Crossair, said the four engine aircraft was carrying 27 passengers and five crew. Journalists from Switzerland's SF1 television station at the scene of the crash reported that at least seven people had been killed and nine more were injured.
Rescue workers are at the crash site and Zurich airport's emergency procedures have been put in place. Crossair has set up two crisis management centres in Basel and Zurich.
Speaking on Swiss television, Hans Baltenberger from Zurich's cantonal police force said he could not confirm how many people had been killed. He said the plane crashed in heavy woodland and that some survivors may well by in among the trees. He added that the middle section of the plane was severly damaged with the nose and tail sections fairly intact.
The head of Crossair, André Dosé, said he was shocked by the tragedy and extended his sympathies to the victim's families.
The plane took off from Berlin's Tegel airport at 21.01 local time and was due to land in Zurich at 22.15 on runway 28.
Weather conditions were reported to be poor and wintry around the city at the time of the crash.
(2 paragraphs about Crossair and emergency numbers snipped)
[ 25 November 2001: Message edited by: Behind the Curtain ]
A small Crossair Jumbolino jet, carrying 32 passengers, has crashed during its approach into Zurich-Kloten airport, killing at least seven people.
A spokesman for Zurich’s cantonal police said the scheduled flight LX3597 went down in a wooded area in Birchwil near Bassersdorf shortly after 22.08 on Saturday evening.
Manfred Winkler, a spokesman for Crossair, said the four engine aircraft was carrying 27 passengers and five crew. Journalists from Switzerland's SF1 television station at the scene of the crash reported that at least seven people had been killed and nine more were injured.
Rescue workers are at the crash site and Zurich airport's emergency procedures have been put in place. Crossair has set up two crisis management centres in Basel and Zurich.
Speaking on Swiss television, Hans Baltenberger from Zurich's cantonal police force said he could not confirm how many people had been killed. He said the plane crashed in heavy woodland and that some survivors may well by in among the trees. He added that the middle section of the plane was severly damaged with the nose and tail sections fairly intact.
The head of Crossair, André Dosé, said he was shocked by the tragedy and extended his sympathies to the victim's families.
The plane took off from Berlin's Tegel airport at 21.01 local time and was due to land in Zurich at 22.15 on runway 28.
Weather conditions were reported to be poor and wintry around the city at the time of the crash.
(2 paragraphs about Crossair and emergency numbers snipped)
[ 25 November 2001: Message edited by: Behind the Curtain ]
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lucky it was an RJ or more would have died.
Strange thing is looking at the pictures on news, not many trees were cut down by the plane, Stall?
[ 25 November 2001: Message edited by: schit.furbraen ]
Strange thing is looking at the pictures on news, not many trees were cut down by the plane, Stall?
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I am not sure what picture you saw, but from what I saw you could really not tell if there was any tree damage. I am sure we will know more in the morning. Eye-witness' said the pilot was coming in very low, but that is a given considering what happened!
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Another very sad day in our industry.....Just turned on CNN and saw a intervju with a Crossair spokesmen - 28 passengers 5 crew. So far 9 survivors. Other survivors are belived(?) to be walking around in the forest sourounding the crash site.
The A/C looked like it was in a quite good shape....Hopefully more survivors will be found.
My toughts are with all the families of the people involved.....
The A/C looked like it was in a quite good shape....Hopefully more survivors will be found.
My toughts are with all the families of the people involved.....
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Firstly condolences to all concerned.
Secondly it has nothing to do with the Stadlerberg - a VOR line up to RW28. New press conference at 11.00.
Front and rear part in "good" shape - centre section destroyed - some smoke - trees down - looks like a "flat"impact. 9 at least survivors.
Secondly it has nothing to do with the Stadlerberg - a VOR line up to RW28. New press conference at 11.00.
Front and rear part in "good" shape - centre section destroyed - some smoke - trees down - looks like a "flat"impact. 9 at least survivors.
If Richtofen wx report accurate then this makes an interesting choice of approach in poor vis. Especially with Rw28 coming in over MSA 8600 to the east and south of the airfield.
Aviation experts already annoucing their opinions on BBC N24 channel, they have been quoted as saying the pilot 'Flew' the aircraft into the ground.
Wait for the enquiry please. Remember our colleagues. God bless them.
Where's that damn switch ?
Aviation experts already annoucing their opinions on BBC N24 channel, they have been quoted as saying the pilot 'Flew' the aircraft into the ground.
Wait for the enquiry please. Remember our colleagues. God bless them.
Where's that damn switch ?
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Sorry to hear about this accident.
Stating the obvious but most pilots will choose a precision approach over a non-precision approach every time in marginal weather and light winds. Is it not about time that the most suitable approach aids should be available and used every time in marginal weather rather than not being allowed to fly through German airspace?
Looking slightly further ahead into the future what will this do for the resurrection of Crossair/Swissair?
Stating the obvious but most pilots will choose a precision approach over a non-precision approach every time in marginal weather and light winds. Is it not about time that the most suitable approach aids should be available and used every time in marginal weather rather than not being allowed to fly through German airspace?
Looking slightly further ahead into the future what will this do for the resurrection of Crossair/Swissair?
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Sincere condolences to all involved and who have been affected by yet another aviation tragedy.
Went into there on Thurs night with not particularily brilliant viz in -sn, on minimums cloud base and a howling wind from the NW. We did the VOR/DME onto 28 & it really isn't an easy procedure to follow.
Thank God I was doing it in an A319 & not something steam powered.
Wow
Went into there on Thurs night with not particularily brilliant viz in -sn, on minimums cloud base and a howling wind from the NW. We did the VOR/DME onto 28 & it really isn't an easy procedure to follow.
Thank God I was doing it in an A319 & not something steam powered.
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LX 3597 from Berlin-Tegel to ZRH it was Avro RJ100 HB-IXM
Weather around the time of the crash (2106Z) included snow:
LSZH 241920Z 16001KT 4500 -SN FEW010 OVC025 00/M00 Q1024 8829// // TEMPO 3000=
LSZH 242120Z 13002KT 4000 -SN FEW006 BKN015 01/M00 Q1023 8820// 99 NOSIG=
interesting and possibly alarming details
have emerged. The aircraft that crashed was on approach to Runway 28. This
runway has been in use for regular night landings only for 4 weeks. For
ILS-landings, no glide path for height indication is installed, making
landings tricky in difficult weather conditions. Use of runway 28 has become
necessary as Zurich's main runways can no longer be used for landings after
2200hrs since a bilateral treaty with Germany has come into effect. This
treaty now bans all approaches over German territory after 2200hrs, forcing
aircraft to take the more difficult approach to runway 28. The aircraft
impacted in a relatively flat angle, making a misjudgement of heigth likely.
Strangely enough, there are still 14 passenger/crew missing more than 12
hours after the crash, with 10 confirmed dead, 3 seriously injured (severely
burned) and 6 with minor injuries (one of the nine survivors is pop-star
Melanie Thornton).
The aicraft is now confirmed as a 97seat Avro RJ100, built in 1996. It is
said to be HB-IXM (c/n E3291), an aircraft with approx. 13.000 hrs in its
books. It was piloted by a veteran Swiss Crossair captain and crewed by a
5-strong, all-Swiss crew. Nationalities of the 28 passengers have not been
revealed so far.
For a picture of the aircraft: http://www.airliners.net/open.file?s...=yes&id=184121
For a video of the crashsite: http://www.n-tv.de/2839628.html
For a picture gallery: http://www.tages-anzeiger.ch/ta/taOn...l?ArtId=143826 (click on
gallery icon "Galerie Crossair Absturz bei Bassendorf")
Weather around the time of the crash (2106Z) included snow:
LSZH 241920Z 16001KT 4500 -SN FEW010 OVC025 00/M00 Q1024 8829// // TEMPO 3000=
LSZH 242120Z 13002KT 4000 -SN FEW006 BKN015 01/M00 Q1023 8820// 99 NOSIG=
interesting and possibly alarming details
have emerged. The aircraft that crashed was on approach to Runway 28. This
runway has been in use for regular night landings only for 4 weeks. For
ILS-landings, no glide path for height indication is installed, making
landings tricky in difficult weather conditions. Use of runway 28 has become
necessary as Zurich's main runways can no longer be used for landings after
2200hrs since a bilateral treaty with Germany has come into effect. This
treaty now bans all approaches over German territory after 2200hrs, forcing
aircraft to take the more difficult approach to runway 28. The aircraft
impacted in a relatively flat angle, making a misjudgement of heigth likely.
Strangely enough, there are still 14 passenger/crew missing more than 12
hours after the crash, with 10 confirmed dead, 3 seriously injured (severely
burned) and 6 with minor injuries (one of the nine survivors is pop-star
Melanie Thornton).
The aicraft is now confirmed as a 97seat Avro RJ100, built in 1996. It is
said to be HB-IXM (c/n E3291), an aircraft with approx. 13.000 hrs in its
books. It was piloted by a veteran Swiss Crossair captain and crewed by a
5-strong, all-Swiss crew. Nationalities of the 28 passengers have not been
revealed so far.
For a picture of the aircraft: http://www.airliners.net/open.file?s...=yes&id=184121
For a video of the crashsite: http://www.n-tv.de/2839628.html
For a picture gallery: http://www.tages-anzeiger.ch/ta/taOn...l?ArtId=143826 (click on
gallery icon "Galerie Crossair Absturz bei Bassendorf")