DAT in trouble?
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Well ex-SN pilot, if you go through all your own postings you will easily find out, how much your own schedule asked you to work. And once you talk to DAT crew today, you will find out what the agreed flat rate is. Why is the word already on the street that the doctors will get very busy after the 20th in attesting whatever is required to keep the crew on the ground. BTW, this is from crews working presently, not from second hand.
And about the salary, guess you are still in dreamland....face reallity as others do since some time!
I personally wish everyone a job, the salary they want to earn and the off-time they like. But looking at the present situation, this is dreaming, also first sun-rays appear behind the horizon again.
Realising the words of an Instructor at DAT who said to a group of trainees "Let's get the heads down, give them 4-5 months and we will fight back" gives me the impression of what DAT will have to face soon again...sad Belgium...
Almost forgot...do you really think that RB is that stupid and investing more into such an uncertain enterprise? If RB gets involved than things will be different, my 2p for that!
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And about the salary, guess you are still in dreamland....face reallity as others do since some time!
I personally wish everyone a job, the salary they want to earn and the off-time they like. But looking at the present situation, this is dreaming, also first sun-rays appear behind the horizon again.
Realising the words of an Instructor at DAT who said to a group of trainees "Let's get the heads down, give them 4-5 months and we will fight back" gives me the impression of what DAT will have to face soon again...sad Belgium...
Almost forgot...do you really think that RB is that stupid and investing more into such an uncertain enterprise? If RB gets involved than things will be different, my 2p for that!
[ 02 January 2002: Message edited by: FL310 ]</p>
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FL310,
I'd suppose you know it is GENERAL PRACTICE for any airline to give their long haul pilots longer rest periods this has nothing to do with Sabana....
Besides, if you only fly 10 to 14 hour flights like I do, you quickly reach your monthly threshold, be it 70hrs (like at SN), 65 (like I have now at Air lib) or even 80 hrs...
What exactly do you blaim my ex-colleagues at DAT for, FL310? For feeling ripped off and abused by their own managers (which always go on television telling how good the relation between them and their employees is, yet do everything unilaterally and without any notice)?
Just think about it for a second; I still remember well how the management presented DAT's work/pay conditions as an example for the rest of us at Sabena/Sobelair, and how they assured all those DAT-guys had nothing to go on strike for as possible changes to the work/pay conditions would certainly not harm their income, yet the first thing that happens after the bankruptcy of Sabena is a considerable salary cut at DAT!
How much more betrayed can you possibly be?
So how much more goodwill can you expect now?
And what a strategic blunder from the management BTW, because they have managed to get virtually all DAT pilots (which were not particularly BeCA loyal before) angry, whereas they could most certainly have saved the same ammount of money through vuluntary negociations and participations with and by the DAT workforce (which was renown for its loyalty and will to help succeed the company...)!
I'd say get the company up and flying and then renegociate the labour agreement by all means!
I'd suppose you know it is GENERAL PRACTICE for any airline to give their long haul pilots longer rest periods this has nothing to do with Sabana....
Besides, if you only fly 10 to 14 hour flights like I do, you quickly reach your monthly threshold, be it 70hrs (like at SN), 65 (like I have now at Air lib) or even 80 hrs...
What exactly do you blaim my ex-colleagues at DAT for, FL310? For feeling ripped off and abused by their own managers (which always go on television telling how good the relation between them and their employees is, yet do everything unilaterally and without any notice)?
Just think about it for a second; I still remember well how the management presented DAT's work/pay conditions as an example for the rest of us at Sabena/Sobelair, and how they assured all those DAT-guys had nothing to go on strike for as possible changes to the work/pay conditions would certainly not harm their income, yet the first thing that happens after the bankruptcy of Sabena is a considerable salary cut at DAT!
How much more betrayed can you possibly be?
So how much more goodwill can you expect now?
And what a strategic blunder from the management BTW, because they have managed to get virtually all DAT pilots (which were not particularly BeCA loyal before) angry, whereas they could most certainly have saved the same ammount of money through vuluntary negociations and participations with and by the DAT workforce (which was renown for its loyalty and will to help succeed the company...)!
I'd say get the company up and flying and then renegociate the labour agreement by all means!
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I knew it would be less than an hour before you reply, so I could easily wait for that.... 
you are using big words.... my ex-colleagues at DAT , was it not that way, that SN pilots had been a separate species of human beings not even bothered about others, especially not the "small & little aeroplanes" at DAT drivers?
feeling ripped off and abused by their own managers Do you want to tell that other operators as well? Do you think that we all have to go on the roads and stop everyone from travelling and doing their job as you did?
Come on my friend, we all want a job and we all want to earn as much as possible in the best ever environment. But thinking that only one airline with no future is God's gift to aviation is certainly not what we all think.
This was my last reply to you, I just need to avoid that there is another protest soon at the Brussels airport because someone has not accepted an ex-SN pilots word...
Be happy at your place...
you are using big words.... my ex-colleagues at DAT , was it not that way, that SN pilots had been a separate species of human beings not even bothered about others, especially not the "small & little aeroplanes" at DAT drivers?
feeling ripped off and abused by their own managers Do you want to tell that other operators as well? Do you think that we all have to go on the roads and stop everyone from travelling and doing their job as you did?
Come on my friend, we all want a job and we all want to earn as much as possible in the best ever environment. But thinking that only one airline with no future is God's gift to aviation is certainly not what we all think.
This was my last reply to you, I just need to avoid that there is another protest soon at the Brussels airport because someone has not accepted an ex-SN pilots word...
Be happy at your place...
