easyJet to go long - haul ?
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Fluke Skywalker -
There is already a well known airline flying scheduled services with a full service at prices that compete with the LCA's prices - Monarch Airlines. In fact, they even offer free entertainment as well as a three course meal with wines etc on the short-haul sectors they fly to on their scheduled service (albeit only to 6 destinations from Luton and 3 from Manchester). It is an excellent product with excellent loads and a lot of repeat business (hence their frequent flyer scheme).
However, this kind of service extends only to holiday destination airports. That is a shame. I think there would have be a wider market there beyond holiday destinations for the airline who was willing to do it right before the no-frillers appeared in the UK. Neva mind! <img src="cool.gif" border="0">
There is already a well known airline flying scheduled services with a full service at prices that compete with the LCA's prices - Monarch Airlines. In fact, they even offer free entertainment as well as a three course meal with wines etc on the short-haul sectors they fly to on their scheduled service (albeit only to 6 destinations from Luton and 3 from Manchester). It is an excellent product with excellent loads and a lot of repeat business (hence their frequent flyer scheme).
However, this kind of service extends only to holiday destination airports. That is a shame. I think there would have be a wider market there beyond holiday destinations for the airline who was willing to do it right before the no-frillers appeared in the UK. Neva mind! <img src="cool.gif" border="0">
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Fluke Skywalker:
My idea of a full service costing 150 quid + in economy class, is neither the all-day deli meal with BA nor crappy sandwiches with BMI and LH. With a 20 quid ticket on a Ryanair flight for example, the bits that would have made the flight "Full Service" cost about a fiver, I think that's enough said about value for money on flag carriers.
My idea of a full service costing 150 quid + in economy class, is neither the all-day deli meal with BA nor crappy sandwiches with BMI and LH. With a 20 quid ticket on a Ryanair flight for example, the bits that would have made the flight "Full Service" cost about a fiver, I think that's enough said about value for money on flag carriers.
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zoom,
cramped conditions and regular cancellations
hmmm. can you tell me the difference in leg room from an ezy 737 to a BA or scheduled 737, (apart from the fact that one reguarly carries 85% loads)
Can you also tell me the comparison of short haul cancellations or delays. When you come up with the correct honest answer you will have answered the question as to why so many business people let alone many other middle class wise people fly with us.
Happy new year from an underworked (650hrs per year is hardly hard work) rather well off ezy share holder.
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cramped conditions and regular cancellations
hmmm. can you tell me the difference in leg room from an ezy 737 to a BA or scheduled 737, (apart from the fact that one reguarly carries 85% loads)
Can you also tell me the comparison of short haul cancellations or delays. When you come up with the correct honest answer you will have answered the question as to why so many business people let alone many other middle class wise people fly with us.
Happy new year from an underworked (650hrs per year is hardly hard work) rather well off ezy share holder.
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The basic Laker Skytrain proposition was no forward booking (though that was modified), meals were bought in advance when buying the ticket, drinks were charged on board, dutyfree was sold agressively, legroom was just about acceptable (I'm over 6 foot), he cancelled and amalgamated flights at least as often as airlines do today, and charged £59 one-way to New York.
The majors squashed him when he ordered large numbers of Airbuses and applied for 600 routes around Europe. Regency Class was never a wild success. The final straw was the dramatic change to the dollar exchange rate which destroyed his cashflow.
I do not see a problem for an airline to operate a modern version of Skytrain using internet booking systems. The problem is to keep a charismatic boss from believing his own publicity and wanting to do more and greater things rather than sticking to a proven (and ultimately boring) formula.
The majors squashed him when he ordered large numbers of Airbuses and applied for 600 routes around Europe. Regency Class was never a wild success. The final straw was the dramatic change to the dollar exchange rate which destroyed his cashflow.
I do not see a problem for an airline to operate a modern version of Skytrain using internet booking systems. The problem is to keep a charismatic boss from believing his own publicity and wanting to do more and greater things rather than sticking to a proven (and ultimately boring) formula.
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Gypsy,
The polemic about low cost carriers springs from fear - fear of losing your job in these uncertain times.
By maligning these airlines and being childishly rude to their pilots "You are at the bottom of a large barrel" etc., some ( emphasize the "some" please) people try to reinforce their confidence.
What really sticks in their throats is the fact that there are actually pilots who have a pride in identifying with easyJet and are prepared to lay out sensible reasons for this. In reply not a even nodding acknowledgement to the arguments is shown, but scorn and rudeness, thus actually showing no one up but the authors.
The polemic about low cost carriers springs from fear - fear of losing your job in these uncertain times.
By maligning these airlines and being childishly rude to their pilots "You are at the bottom of a large barrel" etc., some ( emphasize the "some" please) people try to reinforce their confidence.
What really sticks in their throats is the fact that there are actually pilots who have a pride in identifying with easyJet and are prepared to lay out sensible reasons for this. In reply not a even nodding acknowledgement to the arguments is shown, but scorn and rudeness, thus actually showing no one up but the authors.
Bear Behind
Sorry, I was under the impression that this topic was about long-haul operations and easyJet, not about validating the opinions of (some quite sensitive) LCA employees. "Real" airlines are ones in inverted commas - perhaps the term "traditional airline would suit people's sensibilities more? They are the ones currently trying to feed into loss making transatlantic operations with loss making European operations - as yet i don't see that I can fly outside of Europe with EZY, or did I miss something.
Few Cloudy - perhaps I'm misunderstood here. I'm not trying to malign any aitline, simply express my point of view about EZY going long haul. In my particular sector of the industry (not a pilot) EZY, Ryan etc. represent an opportunity if anything, and are certainly not a threat. They are certainly useful for personal reasons for me and my family. No scorn or rudeness is intended, and I apologise if that's how it came across, but reading back, I still don't think that it does. Please again notye "real" in inverted commas, I do believe that I gave a precursory nod to the arguments behind there not being a high chance of a LCA going long-haul, did I not? Costs, existing structures for " real" ( or "traditional" if you prefer) airlines, interlining and pax satisfaction. Or are thses not the issue.
In any case, I reiterate that given a choice between paying 200 quid for a full service airline, with (what is laughingly called) a meal and with a guarantee of some action being taken in the event of an a/c going tech., or paying 200 quid with a LCA, then having to buy food and drink on top, and risk getting stuck on the wrong side for the pond in a backwater airport with no one giving a fig (see MOL comments to Watchdog), I know which I'd choose. What about you?
Few Cloudy - perhaps I'm misunderstood here. I'm not trying to malign any aitline, simply express my point of view about EZY going long haul. In my particular sector of the industry (not a pilot) EZY, Ryan etc. represent an opportunity if anything, and are certainly not a threat. They are certainly useful for personal reasons for me and my family. No scorn or rudeness is intended, and I apologise if that's how it came across, but reading back, I still don't think that it does. Please again notye "real" in inverted commas, I do believe that I gave a precursory nod to the arguments behind there not being a high chance of a LCA going long-haul, did I not? Costs, existing structures for " real" ( or "traditional" if you prefer) airlines, interlining and pax satisfaction. Or are thses not the issue.
In any case, I reiterate that given a choice between paying 200 quid for a full service airline, with (what is laughingly called) a meal and with a guarantee of some action being taken in the event of an a/c going tech., or paying 200 quid with a LCA, then having to buy food and drink on top, and risk getting stuck on the wrong side for the pond in a backwater airport with no one giving a fig (see MOL comments to Watchdog), I know which I'd choose. What about you?
Just few comments on easyjet and longhaul.
1. It seems everybody forgot People Express. They flew nicely to Europe in the Mid-80's.
2.Easy should have bought A-320 that they offer almost common crew rating with A-330 or A-340. Too bad. However I thought a B-738 may fly across Atlantic non stop.
1. It seems everybody forgot People Express. They flew nicely to Europe in the Mid-80's.
2.Easy should have bought A-320 that they offer almost common crew rating with A-330 or A-340. Too bad. However I thought a B-738 may fly across Atlantic non stop.
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Yes, Boeing definitely were ready to offer a long range version of the Boeing 737 to the IT carriers around 1994 for Atlantic type length operations. I remember talking about it at a wedding among some EI 737 drivers <img src="tongue.gif" border="0"> Those lads were saying that among othere things a part of the galley would have to be taken out.
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wouldnt surprise me if BA concede at LGW then once Easy rule surpreme there, circa 5 years time, still massive apptite for expansion, no more available at LGW then decide, 'well, BA roled over nicely, well do the same at LHR' then bingo, they are there. BA must bite the bullet and stay at LGW because, long haul maybe on the horizon, never been done before, but basic cost model cheaper etc, so could be in the future.
