DERG

Heat the fuel lines, make sure the pumps don't cavitate, condition the fuel as necessary, and insulate/heat the tanks AND make sure the software/hardware to monitor this works...as in "able to talk to each other"..maybe even developed as one unit!!

I bet $50k that somewhere there is a memo to the same sitting in a desk somewhere..... It is a sad reflection on humanity that problems like this in times of war are solved quickly.

Dont Hang Up

DERG, I am not sure I am following you here.

First you suggest the problem is not identified...

Then start suggesting solutions relating to fuel ice!

As I understand it, the AAIB identified fuel ice as the 'most probable' cause and solutions are being worked upon as we speak, with modified SOP in the interim. So your issue is?

Incidentally, you suggest to...
I would suggest that cavitation was more of a symptom that a cause. And dare I even suggest it was an important clue.

Bang Bus

It has been some time now since a BA 777 arrived just short of the runway in London, and after the company announced there would be a report out in 30 days (after the incident) all has gone quiet, I do live under a rock, but has anyone else heard anything??

boeing boeing.. gone

You must live under a rock!!! There is a large thread relating to this incident!! The roll back was caused by a build up of ice in the fuel heat exchange. The plane had gone through some extremely cold air on it's route to lhr. RR has reworked the plate exchange now I believe. The plane was wrote off.

wjsherriff

I did not know it was on the autopilot all the way! It was!, until it reached 108 Kts! Obviously the crew was never trained too utilize the Aux. Power available in the leading edge form of the wing in a dive attitude! Why is everyone flying around on the dumb auto pilot? Where is the control feel! First indicaton of power reduction, nose over into required dive attitude to maintain flying speed, increase dive angle to increase system kinetic energy. Over the fence, flare into a level flight attitude (in ground effect) hold level flight attitude while the aircraft disipates excess kinetic energy and settles into ground contact. Get back to your basic flying skills, dont trust a dumb auto-pilot that will lead you right down to a critical108kts airspeed!

phil gollin

No, that is a possibility which has only been indicated by unrepresentative tests.

There is no present solution, and it would seem that any solution (assuming the basic conditions were as stated in the two interim reports) will involve new behaviour of fuel/water mixtures and a re-examination of ALL existing designs, not just the BA038 airframe/engine combination.

Twitcher

I see that audio/video captured live at the incident has appeared. I Assume it is new as I have not seen it before? British Airways flight 038 traffic control video, 17 Jan 2008 - Wikileaks

lomapaseo

Twitcher

Is it Virus free and has it been validated as genuine?

Captain Airclues

lomapaseo

Norton didn't find anything wrong with it. It sounds pretty genuine to me.

Here is a direct link to the tape;

http://88.80.16.63/leak/ba-038-air-t...ntrol-tape.wmv

Oblivian

It is confirmed by flight global as genuine recording.

Audio record captures orderly BA 777 crash response

HEATHROW DIRECTOR

Thankfully, the clip has been erased from another forum on here.. Publishing it almost certainly contravenes the WT Act unless it is published with proper authority.

Fargoo

HD it's on the Flight Global website as per the link above.

HEATHROW DIRECTOR

Fargoo... That doesn't mean it should appear on here too! Would you like it if you were involved in a major incident and had your words spread all over??

Rainboe

Maybe it shouldn't be on, and maybe I shouldn't have listened, but I did. I have to say the ATC was brilliant and how very cool and efficiently it was handled by all involved give there was no warning at all.

bearfoil

As heartwarming as the response by all was, it only underscores the severity of the problem, and as such, without reflection, deflects directed comment, as it were. In other words, it is off thread.

Likewise the 'Heroism' of the crew. Noted, on other threads.

This problem has not gone away, not as it would be framed openly in the industry anyway, and the 'fix' is a palliative, a poor one.

bear

atakacs

absolutely... to be honest they certainly deserve some sort of medal

Roffa

HD et al,

It was produced by NATS for internal use, someone needs a seriously hefty kick up the jacksy for leaking it out.

Fargoo

Excuse me!

What's with the attitude? I was just letting you know it's on the Flight Global site too. No need to have a go

A little respect for your fellow forum users goes a long way

Rainboe

Well that's as maybe, how dare people abroad not take note of the UK Wireless and Telegraphy Act 19XX (Yawn)! We do live in the internet age, though, and accessing this stuff from abroad where the UK Wireless and Telegraphy Act 19XX (Yawn) doesn't really have much clout. This is a global village now, and we are all villagers. Unless MI5, MI6, in fact MI7-25 are going to monitor what we download and send suits to beat me up, we might as well learn to accept government imposed censorship is becoming a tad difficile!

Roffa

It's nothing to do with the WT act, I couldn't give a fig about that.

The fact does remain though that it was an internal NATS production, produced by and for NATS, ŠNATS and to the best of my knowledge was never intended to be released outside of NATS. The fact also that it is not the full article but a part of it also suggests it has been removed surreptitiously.

I hope NATS are able to track who had access to it and find out who leaked because NATS has a lot of training material such as this (though not always as dramatic!) containing real r/t and radar recordings of incidents and I don't want to think that I or my colleagues are in store for more stuff escaping into the public domain.

The flight deckers round here might not be too impressed if more escapes either because much of it doesn't reflect particularly well...