BA038 Crew get BA safety Medal
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BA09? Yes
BA flight 9, flew into a cloud of volcanic ash over Indonesia?
Wikipedia says yes and BALPA lists them as recipients of their Oustanding Airmanship Award
I just hope that if ever faced with the same situation, I have the sang froid to announce something like"Ladies and Gentlemen, this is your Captain speaking. We have a small problem. All four engines have stopped. We are doing our damnedest to get them going again. I trust you are not in too much distress." instead of just swearing a lot...
Wikipedia says yes and BALPA lists them as recipients of their Oustanding Airmanship Award
I just hope that if ever faced with the same situation, I have the sang froid to announce something like"Ladies and Gentlemen, this is your Captain speaking. We have a small problem. All four engines have stopped. We are doing our damnedest to get them going again. I trust you are not in too much distress." instead of just swearing a lot...
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I just hope that if ever faced with the same situation, I have the sang froid to announce something like"Ladies and Gentlemen, this is your Captain speaking. We have a small problem. All four engines have stopped. We are doing our damnedest to get them going again. I trust you are not in too much distress." instead of just swearing a lot...
MungoP--you sound like a pilot --- not SLF---they'd most likely want an update emailed to their Blackberries--via digital uplink--every five minutes
{really though, those pax also handled the situation very well with the proverbial 'stiff upper' so they say---good on them too
--they did good too
{really though, those pax also handled the situation very well with the proverbial 'stiff upper' so they say---good on them too
--they did good too
Medals All Round?
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I'm quite amazed by the administrators' attitude regarding this topic. Following my comments on this quite surprising reward before official report release, I've been banned from the thread for "sniping" on the crew... well beside the fact that there is no sniping while I legitimately ask about the motivation of this reward, I find this attitude very arrogant and not professional at all.
I wouldn't have any reason to be accused of sniping (which I am NOT doing) if proper facts would have been released aside this reward... It's obviously quite difficult to mention anything about this crew, even after 6 months, while it looks easy to reward it without proper info. I can imagine the officials at the ceremony "congratulation guys, here's your medal for what you know..."
Let's see how long my "disturbing" comment will last before I'm blasted out of Pprune...
I wouldn't have any reason to be accused of sniping (which I am NOT doing) if proper facts would have been released aside this reward... It's obviously quite difficult to mention anything about this crew, even after 6 months, while it looks easy to reward it without proper info. I can imagine the officials at the ceremony "congratulation guys, here's your medal for what you know..."
Let's see how long my "disturbing" comment will last before I'm blasted out of Pprune...
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Mullah,
If you can read me it's because the ban concerns the main BA038 topic.
I'm really glad those gents got rewarded and not fired. But I would also be interested in learning from this quite unusual accident (and I'm not the only one). It's the first time I hear about rewarding a crew before the release of any official report. If it's sound pretty illogic to me, I insist, I don't have any problem with it since I'm sure BA had good reason to do so. Still, for the sake of transparency and aviation safety, it would be also appreciated if BA could release some instructive info as much easily it can release medals... what part of my curiosity is supposed to be insane ?
And please, elaborate on something else than me being jealous...
If you can read me it's because the ban concerns the main BA038 topic.
I'm really glad those gents got rewarded and not fired. But I would also be interested in learning from this quite unusual accident (and I'm not the only one). It's the first time I hear about rewarding a crew before the release of any official report. If it's sound pretty illogic to me, I insist, I don't have any problem with it since I'm sure BA had good reason to do so. Still, for the sake of transparency and aviation safety, it would be also appreciated if BA could release some instructive info as much easily it can release medals... what part of my curiosity is supposed to be insane ?
And please, elaborate on something else than me being jealous...
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I'm sure the guys did a great job and deserve recognition but isn't the award to reassure the public about safety in BA?
I'm glad they got an award though. Far too often crews get hung out by the employers after an accident. BA are clearly supporting them here.
I'm glad they got an award though. Far too often crews get hung out by the employers after an accident. BA are clearly supporting them here.
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Why don't you just leave it there, or are you trolling just to cause trouble for the sake of it?
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on your side there, because IMHO to exonerate the crew from blame which this award does implies a known technical failure.
Some people on here are so afraid for their jobs that they suffer from Ostrich syndrome and dare not ask questions in case their identity and obvious disloyalty to the brand is discovered
Some people on here are so afraid for their jobs that they suffer from Ostrich syndrome and dare not ask questions in case their identity and obvious disloyalty to the brand is discovered
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BA - does it stand for Bogus Award
Can someone enlighten me on normal investigation procedures?
Why has the Cockpit voice recorder transcription not been released?
In most accidents this is one of the first things that comes out. Take the concorde crash out of CDG, even though there was clearly nothing the crew could have done and certainly nothing they did wrong in this tragedy we were soon reading about the last moments of their flight. Very distressing for the friends and families of the crew undoubtedly, but they were not heroes or villains, just very unfortunate enough to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Especially in light of this award the public has some right to evidence of the crews actions surely?
Why has the Cockpit voice recorder transcription not been released?
In most accidents this is one of the first things that comes out. Take the concorde crash out of CDG, even though there was clearly nothing the crew could have done and certainly nothing they did wrong in this tragedy we were soon reading about the last moments of their flight. Very distressing for the friends and families of the crew undoubtedly, but they were not heroes or villains, just very unfortunate enough to be in the wrong place at the wrong time. Especially in light of this award the public has some right to evidence of the crews actions surely?
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Nonsense. The public has no 'right' to the CVR. The crew survived and were able to testify, therefore there is no need for the CVR. The crew's rights to privacy in this case over-rides the public's right to hear conversations between pilots who survived and were able to give account of the events. CVR is purely an investigative tool intended to glean information when the pilots do not survive.
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Yes, I did mean BA 09---thanks for the answer and the link
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Congratulations to Crew BA-038
I offer my congratulations to the Captain and crew, flight deck and cabin included. Well done. Everyone aboard your aircraft lived and for that we give thanks.
Only time will tell what terrible circumstances placed you and your charges in harms way. The important thing is that, God willing, you were given the opportunity to walk away with each and every of your charges.
Congratulations and Well Done.
Only time will tell what terrible circumstances placed you and your charges in harms way. The important thing is that, God willing, you were given the opportunity to walk away with each and every of your charges.
Congratulations and Well Done.
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IMHO to exonerate the crew from blame which this award does implies a known technical failure
We KNOW it's a technical failure. We KNOW the engines failed to respond to thrust lever movement. We KNOW the residual power was not sufficient to enable them to make the runway and, most importantly, we KNOW this was not 'pilot error' or caused by any misdeed by the flight crew.What this reward does is recognise the actions of the crew once they were in that situation i.e the FACT that they didn't end up in a completely burning wreck with all on-board dead, rather a written off aircraft and everybody walking away from it.
I'm not convinced we will ever know the real cause of this as it has certainly got the AAIB and the manafacturers truly stumped. This, however, in no way prevents the actions of the crew being celebrated and rewarded. The official report will not change the actions of the crew, which we already KNOW to be beyond reproach when faced with the situation in which they found themselves.
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Take the concorde crash out of CDG, even though there was clearly nothing the crew could have done and certainly nothing they did wrong
Let's not drag the thread off topic with such distractions.
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I am trying to think of what possible harm could result from the awarding of these medals. If some crew failure should be revealed later on such as the crew not distributing fuel properly, the medals can be withdrawn. Meanwhile everybody is feeling good. This is one time that I am not in favor of waiting for the report.
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I do not know the exact quantity of fuel on board at the end of this trip and available on each tank on short final.
Somebody in this forum is able to write something clear about that?
If not, no use to write so much about this accident and before giving medals to the flight deck crew, it would be better to wait for this information
or, may be since the beginning, we are in front of propaganda?
Somebody in this forum is able to write something clear about that?
If not, no use to write so much about this accident and before giving medals to the flight deck crew, it would be better to wait for this information
or, may be since the beginning, we are in front of propaganda?
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