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BA Plane Off Runway In Durban

Old 19th Jun 2008, 21:19
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Serious?

First lets start with the
operated by US-based Comair
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There is a US-based airline called Comair, but you would, unsurprisngly, find them in the US. The Comair involved here, is a SA company.

Twists
Nothing much twisted there, "turned" might be a better description

Crash Landing
The aircraft appears undamaged, fully configured for landing and is most certainly the right way up, doesn't look like a crash to me.

Finally the use of the passenger quote in the context it is presented, is designed to be senationalist and is most certainly not factual.

I was flying with Comair yesterday afternoon, and all staff were doing sterling work accommodating pax, providing info and rerouting where necessary.
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Old 19th Jun 2008, 22:41
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Could it be another case of the young f/o flying and the captain not being able to follow on his sidestick ?
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Old 19th Jun 2008, 22:55
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You must be joking!!
In a BOEING!! 737-200?
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Old 20th Jun 2008, 00:44
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You mean you didnt hear about the FAA airworthiness directive, to have sidesticks installed above the pilots heads on all 737-200s by March this year?
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Sleeper,

You must be joking!!
In a BOEING!! 737-200?
You are mistaken, my friend :It's not on the runway, therefore it's an Airbus.

Sorry, it looks more like a crosswind roll rate coupled with a misplaced antiskid on the runway and a single pilot at the controls as the other one couldn't log out the PF.


But what do I know, really !

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Old 20th Jun 2008, 02:21
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Based solely on the above photo - how does an aircraft end up at one end of a runway (I presume) pointing the other way?
Haven't you jet jockeys ever heard of a ground loop?

Now thats a scary looking plane - old cigar engines.
Ground loops happen all the time in even scarier looking aircraft, like my buddy's with the big cooling fan ahead of the (only) engine and the wee little wheel on the tail.

I'm not a real scary plane pilot though, because my plane has a training wheel on the nose

But it does have that big cooling fan ahead of the engine!
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Old 20th Jun 2008, 17:36
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Originally Posted by cheesycol
Serious?

First lets start with the .

There is a US-based airline called Comair, but you would, unsurprisngly, find them in the US. The Comair involved here, is a SA company.
Yeah quite right on this one. This is a MAJOR scummy getting the country of registration wrong. If the journalist had got it right it would have changed the perception of the crash entirely!!!!! Journo scum


Nothing much twisted there, "turned" might be a better description
"Twist" instead of "turn" - yep a hanging offence this one on the definition of similar words. JOURNO SCUM

The aircraft appears undamaged, fully configured for landing and is most certainly the right way up, doesn't look like a crash to me.
Let's see if the relevant Accident investigation board gets involved. Seems to me you're splitting hairs there and you are trying to apply a specific technical aviation term to the wider English language. Journo correct.

Finally the use of the passenger quote in the context it is presented, is designed to be senationalist and is most certainly not factual.
He quoted a passenger probably correctly. Perfectly acceptable.


Seems to me yet another embarrassing episode of "Professionals" in aviation slagging off people that are their jobs perfectly adequately. I am not a journalist nor ever have been, nor do I know any. What gets my goat is posts like yours which are, quite frankly, the work of an idiot.
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Old 20th Jun 2008, 19:26
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I don't recall using the phrase "Journo Scum", or knocking the media in general. My comments were directed at the article that YOU placed and then asked for a response. I gave one. Many congrats on making my Ignore list. Back to the thread...............
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Originally Posted by cheesycol
I don't recall using the phrase "Journo Scum", or knocking the media in general. My comments were directed at the article that YOU placed and then asked for a response. I gave one. Many congrats on making my Ignore list. Back to the thread...............
Ignore it....best thing to do with criticism for those that won't or do not want to develop.

I didn't say you used "Journo Scum", I did as it a common and recurring theme on here. One that you have reinforced.

You said however "Journalism at its highest standards" which was meant in a sarcastic tone.
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Old 20th Jun 2008, 20:30
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Ex Nationwide Crew?

As an aside, my understanding is that both the Cap & FO were new to Comair. Just been drafted in from Nationwide that went into administration a short while back.
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Old 20th Jun 2008, 21:31
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Bizarre. Comair in South Africa is certainly NOT a South African subsidiary for the US airline. In fact British Airways has a stake in the airline (they used to have a stake in Sun Air too - before they went bang). For all intents and purposes that flight IS a BA flight, even if it's run on a franchise basis.

DUR has had issues in the past, and its location (and lack of expansion capability) was quoted to be one of the reasons why the provincial government wanted to move the airport to St Lucia.

Oh well.

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Old 21st Jun 2008, 11:08
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Durban FADN

FADN is too small for the requirements of the City of Durban, but apart from that is a fully equipped and modern airport. The lack of capacity is the only reason for the proposed new airport, which has been given the go-ahead.

BA used to fly 747's directly from EGLL a few years back, but stopped the service for economic reasons. Air Mauritius flew heavies to FADN as well.

A tight squeeze, but can be done!
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The new airport of Durban at La Mercy is under construction . Will it be finsihed by target date 2010, who knows as I am not a civil engineer, but they now building the terminals, runways cleared

For current status photos, details on plans etc
click on
http://www.dubetradeport.co.za/index.aspx


The initial runway length of 3,7km will accommodate the latest New Generation Large Aircraft (NGLA, including the A380 Airbus). Space is to be allowed for the lengthening of the runway to 4km.

The airport will be developed to handle 7,5 million passengers per annum by 2015 and more than 25 million passengers by 2060.
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Old 21st Jun 2008, 13:07
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Comair South Africa.

British Airways Comair
BA Comair operates over 400 scheduled flights per week within southern Africa. Flights are scheduled to provide a seamless connection with British Airways international flights and other international carriers to and from Johannesburg, Cape Town and Harare.

Popular destinations to Southern Africa include daily flights between Harare and Johannesburg, flights between Johannesburg and CapeTown, Durban, Port Elizabeth, Victoria Falls, Livingstone, Windhoek and Mauritius.
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Old 21st Jun 2008, 16:43
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whiskeyflyer, looks like La Mercy is at least on schedule, as opposed to 'Gautrain', which was supposed to be ready and operational by 2010. From the last thing I heard, I gathered that there were certain Gautrain sections that were cancelled from the 2010 deadline.

Why is it that KZN manages to do stuff that Gauteng horribly fails at?

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Old 21st Jun 2008, 18:44
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Nationwide???

Skyloone you idiot.

What does the crew being ex Nationwide have to do with it??

That they were hired, certified and on line means the company had faith in them.

If they WERE ex NW, then they most certainly were familiar with Durban.
 
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NTW

Thank you Sir Osis. Good words! I would buy you a drink, except for your condition!

Good Health anyway.
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Old 22nd Jun 2008, 05:20
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VOF... BA only ever did a shuttle to Durban, from HRE first then JNB. Durban is one of the shortest runways we operated in to with the 747 and there is no way we could have operated to EGLL(LHR).
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Old 22nd Jun 2008, 14:06
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Ba/fadn

Tailspin, you are right of course. I stand corrected. It was some time ago, and my memory was faulty.
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Old 22nd Jun 2008, 14:12
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Currant Bun

Posted by banana9999:
"You said however "Journalism at its highest standards" which was meant in a sarcastic tone"

banana9999
Actually, I said it. It was meant in a sarcastic tone, glad you noticed. I stand by that sarcasm, the report is inaccurate, sensationalist and typical of the Sun.
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