Radiotelephony in shambles in Europe?
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PENKO :
and your point is ???
as to existing FANS 1A Data link, as Millermann said , and I as well , it is not suitable for dense European continental airspace for tactical control for many reasons and has been recognized as such.
The only technologies for me that might help us reduce R/T in the future in that area is a combination of ATN D/L and ADS-B with transfer of some ATC tasks to the cockpit. But this is at least 10 years ahead, if not 20.
I love the French:
pilot: Reims good morning, XYZ123, FL390 to RESMI
French ATC: Good morning XYZ123, radar contact, maintain FL390 to RESMI
Duh!
(or is there some rule that I do not know about?)
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pilot: Reims good morning, XYZ123, FL390 to RESMI
French ATC: Good morning XYZ123, radar contact, maintain FL390 to RESMI
Duh!
(or is there some rule that I do not know about?)
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as to existing FANS 1A Data link, as Millermann said , and I as well , it is not suitable for dense European continental airspace for tactical control for many reasons and has been recognized as such.
The only technologies for me that might help us reduce R/T in the future in that area is a combination of ATN D/L and ADS-B with transfer of some ATC tasks to the cockpit. But this is at least 10 years ahead, if not 20.
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"Good Morning, Delhi control."
Derekl,
You said,
"The seemingly redundant words at the beginning of a radio transmission ("Good morning", "Hello, director" and so on) are very important in one respect: it's well understood that the human ear takes a syllable or two of speech to attune or synchronize to a particular voice. It is sensible not to impart vital information in the first one or two words of a message."
Your point about the one or two words to "tune your ear" is fine and I don't object. But we usually start with the name of the sector we are talking to such as "Lumpur Control" or "Chennai control." That, I believe, serves the purpose you mention without putting the "good morning / good afternoon" greeting in front of it, wasting frequency time in a busy environment. Hey, I don't intend to beat this dead horse to death and I admit, it is a personal pet peeve. But I do believe it is an example of using too much unnecessary verbiage as I mentioned in my first post.
No problem with me though IF THE FREQUENCY IS NOT BUSY to start with a friendly "GOOD MORNING," I suppose. You won't hear me do it though. (Used to earlier in my career.) I pride myself these days on keeping my transmissions as brief as possible while imparting the NECESSARY information.
To reinforce my point, rarely do you hear pilots broadcasting on HF start with "Good morning." Those limited frequencies are way too busy for friendly radio calls full of superfluous information. Seems to me we ought to start treating VHF communications the same way.
Guess I am just getting grumpy in my old age.
You said,
"The seemingly redundant words at the beginning of a radio transmission ("Good morning", "Hello, director" and so on) are very important in one respect: it's well understood that the human ear takes a syllable or two of speech to attune or synchronize to a particular voice. It is sensible not to impart vital information in the first one or two words of a message."
Your point about the one or two words to "tune your ear" is fine and I don't object. But we usually start with the name of the sector we are talking to such as "Lumpur Control" or "Chennai control." That, I believe, serves the purpose you mention without putting the "good morning / good afternoon" greeting in front of it, wasting frequency time in a busy environment. Hey, I don't intend to beat this dead horse to death and I admit, it is a personal pet peeve. But I do believe it is an example of using too much unnecessary verbiage as I mentioned in my first post.
No problem with me though IF THE FREQUENCY IS NOT BUSY to start with a friendly "GOOD MORNING," I suppose. You won't hear me do it though. (Used to earlier in my career.) I pride myself these days on keeping my transmissions as brief as possible while imparting the NECESSARY information.
To reinforce my point, rarely do you hear pilots broadcasting on HF start with "Good morning." Those limited frequencies are way too busy for friendly radio calls full of superfluous information. Seems to me we ought to start treating VHF communications the same way.
Guess I am just getting grumpy in my old age.
Last edited by Flying Guy; 4th Jun 2008 at 09:40. Reason: added quote from Derekl
