Singapore Airlines Recruiting Policy?
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Weightandbalance wrote:
"I think that instead of attacking them you should work together to change whatever you don’t like in your company, look at the examples of Delta and Lufthansa pilots that is the only way."
To compare Delta and Lufthansa pilot's actions having changed or about to change what they don't like to SIA pilot's predicament proves that weightandbalance indeed does not understand the complex currents that flow beneath the Singapore Airlines surface.
However he does understand that industrial action does not exist in SIA or for that matter in Singapore.
I am puzzled, his two statements contradict one other.
"I think that instead of attacking them you should work together to change whatever you don’t like in your company, look at the examples of Delta and Lufthansa pilots that is the only way."
To compare Delta and Lufthansa pilot's actions having changed or about to change what they don't like to SIA pilot's predicament proves that weightandbalance indeed does not understand the complex currents that flow beneath the Singapore Airlines surface.
However he does understand that industrial action does not exist in SIA or for that matter in Singapore.
I am puzzled, his two statements contradict one other.
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By reading the Weightandbalance article I have the feeling that our friend got a little excited and also missed some of the points made by Insider. To state that Insider needs to see a “wider picture” is the same as saying that mister D.P. needs to change his formula for his champagne. Over the last few month it has become very obvious that Insider not only has the blessing of a good pen, but also showed a very clear understanding and balanced view of the wide variety of problems facing SQ.
The fact that Weightandbalance sums up a list of technical aeronautical accomplishments shows that he might be a fantastic driver , but misses the very point that Insider, Gladiator, and many others have made in this forum over the years. “ I can teach my 15 year old neighbors son , to fly a A340, 747-400, or any other wonderful piece of flying aluminum in a matter of days, as long as he pushes the right buttons on the right panels, the problems start in managing the “wider picture”, and it is obvious that it isn’t Insider who fails to see the wider picture, it is weightandbalance who needs the wider view.
And this brings me to my second point, where I have to disagree with Insider and for the first and probably only time agree with John Barnes on his view of the possible opening for expats in Management. Although I fully understand the reservations that Insider has with showing interest in management, and also understand his feeling that it isn’t the politically correct thing to do, I believe that Insider should try to come to terms with these reservations and offer his help and insight in the Flt Ops department . With the proper changes and with the communicational writing qualities that Insider has shown over the last few months, his presence on the fourth floor could be a very important and positive influence for the widely diverse group of pilots in SIA. Although I am afraid that we are still on the path of self destruction, and basically nothing has changed in the present management, I still hope that some day some big changes are made and that this job in SQ could be one of the better ones. And to end on a positive note, I promise insider the same thing that Barnes said: You go to the fourth floor, I will buy a Webster and never ask you what all these beautiful words actually mean when your FSI’s trickle down in our mail boxes.
The fact that Weightandbalance sums up a list of technical aeronautical accomplishments shows that he might be a fantastic driver , but misses the very point that Insider, Gladiator, and many others have made in this forum over the years. “ I can teach my 15 year old neighbors son , to fly a A340, 747-400, or any other wonderful piece of flying aluminum in a matter of days, as long as he pushes the right buttons on the right panels, the problems start in managing the “wider picture”, and it is obvious that it isn’t Insider who fails to see the wider picture, it is weightandbalance who needs the wider view.
And this brings me to my second point, where I have to disagree with Insider and for the first and probably only time agree with John Barnes on his view of the possible opening for expats in Management. Although I fully understand the reservations that Insider has with showing interest in management, and also understand his feeling that it isn’t the politically correct thing to do, I believe that Insider should try to come to terms with these reservations and offer his help and insight in the Flt Ops department . With the proper changes and with the communicational writing qualities that Insider has shown over the last few months, his presence on the fourth floor could be a very important and positive influence for the widely diverse group of pilots in SIA. Although I am afraid that we are still on the path of self destruction, and basically nothing has changed in the present management, I still hope that some day some big changes are made and that this job in SQ could be one of the better ones. And to end on a positive note, I promise insider the same thing that Barnes said: You go to the fourth floor, I will buy a Webster and never ask you what all these beautiful words actually mean when your FSI’s trickle down in our mail boxes.
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Just woke up and all this activity!! Correct me if I am wrong Farside, but wasn’t your nickname in your previous company “The Rotweiler” and wasn’t it this non diplomatic confrontational behaviour that caused some minor upsets in the Standards Department in which you were active. You could perhaps join hands with Insider and where his diplomatic overtures might fail you can come in with some “Rotweiler” barks !! Could be a mighty combination and a new management technique, and known that you were not exactly your standard expat brownnoser in the Middle East or here this combined force could be a breath of fresh air , something needed on the fourth floor. So instead of standing on the sideline and pumping Insider you should fill out the management application as well or are you afraid to come out in the open??
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John and .88 of a brain, sorry but you guys are somewhat removed from the mainstream opinion. The question needs to be asked why? Management or potential man. duties?
A very good friend 10k + and 4K+ widebody command just back from 777 interview most disgusted with sim format by very "anti" local trng capt...why is this necessary? Conduct unbecoming from a considerate human being let alone someone who is supposed to be an advertisment for the company.
Yet again pls do tell why we should all be better off at SQ....I am down on laughs of late.
A very good friend 10k + and 4K+ widebody command just back from 777 interview most disgusted with sim format by very "anti" local trng capt...why is this necessary? Conduct unbecoming from a considerate human being let alone someone who is supposed to be an advertisment for the company.
Yet again pls do tell why we should all be better off at SQ....I am down on laughs of late.
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Firewall you are absolutely correct, and I know that these “anti” tactics are used by some of our “less” professional instructors on the simulator. This forum is the best place to expose these tactics, warn future applicants, and then hopefully make it possible for SQ to correct these individuals. I must however admit that this is not the only company using these scare tactics, but again this should never be an excuse. If SIA is serious in trying to improve their battered image and also wants to attract good quality crewmembers they have to asses the present training, checking and interview culture in SQ. I had produced a long article some months ago for the internal use of SQ, which was , without my knowledge , copied on PPRUNE and which addressed exactly these problems that you just mentioned. So far nothing has changed and that on itself is a very worrying trend , but I am still an optimist and still believe that with the right drastic changes this could be one of the better jobs.
Thrust thank you for your reaction.
John Barnes Woeoeoefff Woeoefff Groooooowlll
Thrust thank you for your reaction.
John Barnes Woeoeoefff Woeoefff Groooooowlll
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Interesting Staff travel stuff for SIA members and all considering joining.
From Star Alliance “Network” magazine, May 2001. A digest of staff travel arrangements made by member airlines, with the notable exception of newly joined member, Singapore Airlines.
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Z-Fares: Your Ticket to the World.
As airline employees we have a lot in common – an intricate knowledge of the industry, an enhanced cultural awareness that comes with meeting customers and colleagues from around the world. We’ve turned packing a suitcase into an art form. We’re better at geography than most. Above all else, we love to travel. Since the outset, Star Alliance, specifically the Industry Discount Travel (IDT) team, has worked towards providing member-carrier employees with greater access to the world. There’s also the notion that seamless is as seamless does. The more we travel on each other’s airlines, the more we learn about our partners’ products, services and how the customer experiences Star Alliance travel.
But putting together a Star Alliance travel policy hasn’t been easy. Taxation issues, cultural differences and the varied members-carrier travel policies make complete harmonization difficult. Instead, similar to our approach with customers, IDT has tried to respect the cultural uniqueness of each carrier.
“We want a common employee travel policy, but it has to take into account airline-specific issues such as taxation and the extension of benefits” explains Vicki Benoit, Manager, Industry Travel Air Canada and a member of the Star Alliance IDT committee. “Right now there is a wide array of bilateral agreements which work off basic principles and Z-Fares are the basis for personal travel.”
Z-Fares are mileage-based fares offered by over 130 carriers worldwide. They are segregated into eight distance-related bands with three different fare levels for each band; low (ZL), medium (ZM) and high (ZH). These rates are consistent across the globe. The difference for Star Alliance member-carrier employees is that for most personal travel, we pay the lowest Z- Fare available (ZL) in each of the eight bands for employee, spouse and dependent children travel and ZH for travel companions and parent (employee must travel with them). For example, for a standby ticket from Chicago to Frankfurt employees will pay $41 USD (ZL) while a parent/travel partner will have to pay $105 USD.
“One of the objectives of IDT is to make Z-Fares available to all Star Alliance carrier employees,” says Joseph Berktold, Head of Industry & Interline Travel, Lufthansa and IDT chairperson. “While we haven’t quite achieved that, we’ve made significant inroads and a lot of employees are taking advantage of the benefits. We’re also working on developing a system that gives Star Alliance member-carrier employees priority over other employees, bearing in mind that the employees of the operating airline get top priority.” At Lufthansa alone, Berktold says more than 300,000 Z-Fare tickets have been purchased by employees for travel on other Star Alliance carriers.
The IDT has also developed a common dress code as well as a number of bilateral agreements relating to duty and business travel. While a condensed outline of the basics and standards is provided below, please be sure to check with your own carrier’s travel department at all times when seeking clarification or purchasing tickets. Granted, it’s a work in progress. But there’s no doubt that as members of Star Alliance, the world truly is your oyster. Now all you have to do is pack your bags….
Basics and Standards (Abbreviated)
Private Travel
After a minimum of 6 months service, Employee, Retiree of any Star Alliance airline, spouse and children under 25 are eligible to unlimited standby travel based on low zone fares (ZL) in Economy/business class. Parents will be eligible but will have to pay high zone fares (ZH).
Offered by AG AN LH MX RG OS SK NG TG VO NH UA BD
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I wish!
From Star Alliance “Network” magazine, May 2001. A digest of staff travel arrangements made by member airlines, with the notable exception of newly joined member, Singapore Airlines.
Quote:
Z-Fares: Your Ticket to the World.
As airline employees we have a lot in common – an intricate knowledge of the industry, an enhanced cultural awareness that comes with meeting customers and colleagues from around the world. We’ve turned packing a suitcase into an art form. We’re better at geography than most. Above all else, we love to travel. Since the outset, Star Alliance, specifically the Industry Discount Travel (IDT) team, has worked towards providing member-carrier employees with greater access to the world. There’s also the notion that seamless is as seamless does. The more we travel on each other’s airlines, the more we learn about our partners’ products, services and how the customer experiences Star Alliance travel.
But putting together a Star Alliance travel policy hasn’t been easy. Taxation issues, cultural differences and the varied members-carrier travel policies make complete harmonization difficult. Instead, similar to our approach with customers, IDT has tried to respect the cultural uniqueness of each carrier.
“We want a common employee travel policy, but it has to take into account airline-specific issues such as taxation and the extension of benefits” explains Vicki Benoit, Manager, Industry Travel Air Canada and a member of the Star Alliance IDT committee. “Right now there is a wide array of bilateral agreements which work off basic principles and Z-Fares are the basis for personal travel.”
Z-Fares are mileage-based fares offered by over 130 carriers worldwide. They are segregated into eight distance-related bands with three different fare levels for each band; low (ZL), medium (ZM) and high (ZH). These rates are consistent across the globe. The difference for Star Alliance member-carrier employees is that for most personal travel, we pay the lowest Z- Fare available (ZL) in each of the eight bands for employee, spouse and dependent children travel and ZH for travel companions and parent (employee must travel with them). For example, for a standby ticket from Chicago to Frankfurt employees will pay $41 USD (ZL) while a parent/travel partner will have to pay $105 USD.
“One of the objectives of IDT is to make Z-Fares available to all Star Alliance carrier employees,” says Joseph Berktold, Head of Industry & Interline Travel, Lufthansa and IDT chairperson. “While we haven’t quite achieved that, we’ve made significant inroads and a lot of employees are taking advantage of the benefits. We’re also working on developing a system that gives Star Alliance member-carrier employees priority over other employees, bearing in mind that the employees of the operating airline get top priority.” At Lufthansa alone, Berktold says more than 300,000 Z-Fare tickets have been purchased by employees for travel on other Star Alliance carriers.
The IDT has also developed a common dress code as well as a number of bilateral agreements relating to duty and business travel. While a condensed outline of the basics and standards is provided below, please be sure to check with your own carrier’s travel department at all times when seeking clarification or purchasing tickets. Granted, it’s a work in progress. But there’s no doubt that as members of Star Alliance, the world truly is your oyster. Now all you have to do is pack your bags….
Basics and Standards (Abbreviated)
Private Travel
After a minimum of 6 months service, Employee, Retiree of any Star Alliance airline, spouse and children under 25 are eligible to unlimited standby travel based on low zone fares (ZL) in Economy/business class. Parents will be eligible but will have to pay high zone fares (ZH).
Offered by AG AN LH MX RG OS SK NG TG VO NH UA BD
Unquote
I wish!
