Singapore Airlines Recruiting Policy?
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So SQ flight ops management read this eh.....
Well if that's so, may I ask you why do you turn down many good and qualified pilots that want to join you direct entry on LOCAL terms as well (since they are Singaporean or Malaysian) while in the mean time you cry pilot shortage and cancel leave of some of your pilots while advertising for expat direct entry over and over again! What the hell are you looking for!
Well, I applied, you were not interested and I'm now somewhere else and in all modesty I can tell you it's YOUR LOSS SIA!
P.S. I don't usually have a rant and rave on PPRuNe but since Lenny and Maurice might be amongst us...I thought we'd have a chat.
Well if that's so, may I ask you why do you turn down many good and qualified pilots that want to join you direct entry on LOCAL terms as well (since they are Singaporean or Malaysian) while in the mean time you cry pilot shortage and cancel leave of some of your pilots while advertising for expat direct entry over and over again! What the hell are you looking for!
Well, I applied, you were not interested and I'm now somewhere else and in all modesty I can tell you it's YOUR LOSS SIA!
P.S. I don't usually have a rant and rave on PPRuNe but since Lenny and Maurice might be amongst us...I thought we'd have a chat.
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Gentlemen,
I dont work for SIA nor do I live in SIA-land, I´m simply a fellow pilot with one of the European airlines who slided in on this topic.
It is interesting to see how we pilots tend to waste our time defending ourselfs against attacks on our profession without really knowing who the enemy is.
What comes to mind is Mr.davidmcc...whatever, (must admitt, I didn´t bother remembering the name), he is a clearly disturbed person who needs help and understanding for his shortcomings as a human.
We should not expose him more nor feel attacked, simply send a thought of forgivness for his lack of human evolution.
So my fellow friends good luck with SIA and I´m looking forward to see some positive development for you there.
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Born to fly, taxed out of the sky.....
I dont work for SIA nor do I live in SIA-land, I´m simply a fellow pilot with one of the European airlines who slided in on this topic.
It is interesting to see how we pilots tend to waste our time defending ourselfs against attacks on our profession without really knowing who the enemy is.
What comes to mind is Mr.davidmcc...whatever, (must admitt, I didn´t bother remembering the name), he is a clearly disturbed person who needs help and understanding for his shortcomings as a human.
We should not expose him more nor feel attacked, simply send a thought of forgivness for his lack of human evolution.
So my fellow friends good luck with SIA and I´m looking forward to see some positive development for you there.
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Born to fly, taxed out of the sky.....
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Whether living in Singapore as an airline pilot or as some other professional, how does life compare to that in the US, Canada, Western Europe, Australia?
Having never seen an answer to this question before, it must not be worth answering (?).
I'm just a US native/resident who likes to hear about life overseas, and by choice prefers flying the older "steam-gauge" planes to a wide variety of airports (no Eagle or Missoula...thanks anyway). Except for limited stays in Cairo and Mogadishu (early 80's), my exposure to the world consists mostly of Western Europe, via the KLM network. Definitely not an agent of any government diktatorships.
Having never seen an answer to this question before, it must not be worth answering (?).
I'm just a US native/resident who likes to hear about life overseas, and by choice prefers flying the older "steam-gauge" planes to a wide variety of airports (no Eagle or Missoula...thanks anyway). Except for limited stays in Cairo and Mogadishu (early 80's), my exposure to the world consists mostly of Western Europe, via the KLM network. Definitely not an agent of any government diktatorships.
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As mentioned before, if you want to know who I am then ask.
That said I would say there is not much more to me than can be found by following the links beside my postings.
However, if you want to know who I am, then you will have to divulge who you are. I suspect that most of you spineless paranoid posters will not do that.
As for my postings on the CX thread. It seems that those replying to me there have a lot more intelligence and respect for what I am saying than you lot do here. I like discussion and this is what these forums are all about.
It is a pity the vast majority of you on this thread use it as a medium for ranting about your inadequacies which you perceive to be the fault of the airline that employed you.
That said I would say there is not much more to me than can be found by following the links beside my postings.
However, if you want to know who I am, then you will have to divulge who you are. I suspect that most of you spineless paranoid posters will not do that.
As for my postings on the CX thread. It seems that those replying to me there have a lot more intelligence and respect for what I am saying than you lot do here. I like discussion and this is what these forums are all about.
It is a pity the vast majority of you on this thread use it as a medium for ranting about your inadequacies which you perceive to be the fault of the airline that employed you.
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I just wonder if mccraken is a duracell battery, you know the one in the tv advert-- its put into this annoying white rabbit that moves around banging on a little tin drum. It just goes on and on and on and on etc. Irritates the s**t out of you after 2 mins.
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davidmccracken seems to have a proximity sensor fitted on the fingers, when he brings them next to the keyboard, it shuts off his brain. When his brain works he does not type. More so it looks he also have a .0001 milliamps fuse for the brain, little bit fluctuation and fuse goes off.
sorry davMc this seems to be the truth
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The other snippet heard down route from the SIA guys is that recruiting is now so desperate that some of the very few east European pilots recently pulled in can barely speak English and that when they check in for flights they have to bring their relevant dictionaries with them.
Must make for great communications and flight safety!
Best airline in the world?
Must make for great communications and flight safety!
Best airline in the world?
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Just for fun I applied to the add in Aviation Week. With about 8 years in the B-747 and another 3 in the B-747/400, all command. They e-mailed me back that I was not qualified!
I don't think they are really serious about hiring just yet, sort of like the short term contracts in Korea a few years back. Happy that I work for a US major, still an F/O 3 years after joining, (little attitude adjustment necessary, but good for me) I make more then a B-747 Capt. at most asian carriers and have 16 to 18 days off per month, respect, little politics, and good insurance.
They would have to come up 75% to 100% before I would take the time to interview. Good luck SIA.
I don't think they are really serious about hiring just yet, sort of like the short term contracts in Korea a few years back. Happy that I work for a US major, still an F/O 3 years after joining, (little attitude adjustment necessary, but good for me) I make more then a B-747 Capt. at most asian carriers and have 16 to 18 days off per month, respect, little politics, and good insurance.
They would have to come up 75% to 100% before I would take the time to interview. Good luck SIA.
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I am a 767 driver with Asiana Airlines. Nothing to complain about the airline. Of course the money is below average and the destinations are not exactly fascinating, as well as living in Seoul has very few things in common with French Riviera or Florida...
So I am thinking about applying for SIA 777.
Would you please tell me the pros and cons of working there?
So I am thinking about applying for SIA 777.
Would you please tell me the pros and cons of working there?
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Boeingfly
Check out the following for full details:
http://www.pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/For...ML/012624.html
http://www.pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/For...ML/013189.html
http://www.pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/For...ML/012079.html
Check out the following for full details:
http://www.pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/For...ML/012624.html
http://www.pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/For...ML/013189.html
http://www.pprune.org/ubb/NonCGI/For...ML/012079.html
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Thank you Tosh!
So is it that bad?
Well, everything is good or bad depending on what you compare. As far as I know, KAL is the best for now. Unfortunately, no more vacancies for non type current drivers.
The main problem here is that, as I have two pre-school kids (in spite of being well into the 40s...) decent school is at prohibitive prices. Winter and air pollution in Seoul are also simply unbearable...finally, you are on yourself if you don't speak korean.
What SIA's package REALLY offers in terms of sponsoring studies and home, and how much money you can end up making?
kind regards!
So is it that bad?
Well, everything is good or bad depending on what you compare. As far as I know, KAL is the best for now. Unfortunately, no more vacancies for non type current drivers.
The main problem here is that, as I have two pre-school kids (in spite of being well into the 40s...) decent school is at prohibitive prices. Winter and air pollution in Seoul are also simply unbearable...finally, you are on yourself if you don't speak korean.
What SIA's package REALLY offers in terms of sponsoring studies and home, and how much money you can end up making?
kind regards!
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Please see the quote from Mack Number of 27 Feb 2001:
"You neglected to mention that any expat who joined SIA in the last 5 years isn't entitled to CPF. We get a provident fund (10% contribution from the company) which has managed to lose money ever since it's inception. (Our beloved DFO is on the board of directors,of course). No bonus contribution to the fund either. What about the former 6% increment that mangement diddled from the pilots last year? I don't think a pilot who joined now will be making $12,000 basic per month after 10 years.(Maybe after the pay rise comes in-but we will never obtain the same ratio of pay that we would have if the 6% increment wasn't changed). And management also moved the goal posts in the determination of how much bonus is paid (knowing there will be record profits this year). And the housing allowance is only 80% subsidy-so you have to pay about $12,000 a year towards your house. And the school fees have risen 30% since the last time they were adjusted, so plan on about $6,000+ a year out of pocket for each kid. And the lousiest staff travel in the industry, so if you don't live in a SIA destination city, you must pay for tickets to go home from the nearest SIA city from which you live. (Even though we are part of Star Alliance). And a car will set you back $85,000. And if you are not type rated, you must front-up with a bond of $45,000+ (depending on type)."
Please bear the above in mind if you interview - the only thing that will come up is "can you pay the S$45,000 bg?"
regards
PS. Nearly forgot. Your first year tax bill would be approx S$30,000. Your first 3 months salary while under training would be S$5300 per month approx. You would have to put down a housing deposit of 3 months rent - near enough S$13,000 and a full terms deposit for each child's school fees - work on S$5,000 each. So bring plenty of money!
[This message has been edited by Tosh26 (edited 11 May 2001).]
Please see the quote from Mack Number of 27 Feb 2001:
"You neglected to mention that any expat who joined SIA in the last 5 years isn't entitled to CPF. We get a provident fund (10% contribution from the company) which has managed to lose money ever since it's inception. (Our beloved DFO is on the board of directors,of course). No bonus contribution to the fund either. What about the former 6% increment that mangement diddled from the pilots last year? I don't think a pilot who joined now will be making $12,000 basic per month after 10 years.(Maybe after the pay rise comes in-but we will never obtain the same ratio of pay that we would have if the 6% increment wasn't changed). And management also moved the goal posts in the determination of how much bonus is paid (knowing there will be record profits this year). And the housing allowance is only 80% subsidy-so you have to pay about $12,000 a year towards your house. And the school fees have risen 30% since the last time they were adjusted, so plan on about $6,000+ a year out of pocket for each kid. And the lousiest staff travel in the industry, so if you don't live in a SIA destination city, you must pay for tickets to go home from the nearest SIA city from which you live. (Even though we are part of Star Alliance). And a car will set you back $85,000. And if you are not type rated, you must front-up with a bond of $45,000+ (depending on type)."
Please bear the above in mind if you interview - the only thing that will come up is "can you pay the S$45,000 bg?"
regards
PS. Nearly forgot. Your first year tax bill would be approx S$30,000. Your first 3 months salary while under training would be S$5300 per month approx. You would have to put down a housing deposit of 3 months rent - near enough S$13,000 and a full terms deposit for each child's school fees - work on S$5,000 each. So bring plenty of money!
[This message has been edited by Tosh26 (edited 11 May 2001).]
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Welcome to the "fine" city. Don't worry about the bad stuffs, it's true .
But here in the lion city is where the action is, so pls don't hesitate to apply and "experience" the life with SQ.
Biggest bonus is you could leave with a precious 777 / 747-400 / A340 rating.
Not so bad afterall.
But here in the lion city is where the action is, so pls don't hesitate to apply and "experience" the life with SQ.
Biggest bonus is you could leave with a precious 777 / 747-400 / A340 rating.
Not so bad afterall.
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Dear Tosh and 0.88M,
Thanks for your always nice reply!
But, is really there a USD 40 grand bond?
Here a decent school costs almost Harvard : USD 18 grand a year per kid!
What if I decide to live in, say, LA with SIA 777? How much I would end up doing?
You really think doesn't worth apply, in my case? I make here USD 6,000 a month plus USD 1,750 allowance. Monthly bills (supermarket, gas, electricity, telephone etc) take an average 1,000 (no school for a while...). And, yes, cars are nice and cheap.
Usually, 9 to 10 days off a month, but never straight. Many flights are same day round trips, so you end up sleeping at home at least 16 to 17 nights a month.
Is SIA, at the end, recruiting a lot indeed?
What they are looking for, after all, as I've seen so many super qualified drivers apply and get only that " Your application was not successful" email?
Nice flights, buddies!
Thanks for your always nice reply!
But, is really there a USD 40 grand bond?
Here a decent school costs almost Harvard : USD 18 grand a year per kid!
What if I decide to live in, say, LA with SIA 777? How much I would end up doing?
You really think doesn't worth apply, in my case? I make here USD 6,000 a month plus USD 1,750 allowance. Monthly bills (supermarket, gas, electricity, telephone etc) take an average 1,000 (no school for a while...). And, yes, cars are nice and cheap.
Usually, 9 to 10 days off a month, but never straight. Many flights are same day round trips, so you end up sleeping at home at least 16 to 17 nights a month.
Is SIA, at the end, recruiting a lot indeed?
What they are looking for, after all, as I've seen so many super qualified drivers apply and get only that " Your application was not successful" email?
Nice flights, buddies!