LHR Night Flights ?????
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One resident living under the flight path, Virginia Godfrey, described the nightly noise from aircraft as intolerable. She told the BBC: "It's loud enough to wake you up, and loud enough that you don't get back to sleep again once you've been woken up."
So you see: it's that 'special' type of noise that not only wakes you up but means you can't go back to sleep again (possiblye forever).
See the prostesters' Website at www.hacan.cero.co.uk for more such nonsense.
[ 02 October 2001: Message edited by: simbad3000 ]
So you see: it's that 'special' type of noise that not only wakes you up but means you can't go back to sleep again (possiblye forever).
See the prostesters' Website at www.hacan.cero.co.uk for more such nonsense.
[ 02 October 2001: Message edited by: simbad3000 ]
As the old saying goes, "If you choose to live next to a zoo, do not be surprised at the noise lions make"
Are these people too stupid to look at a map when they decide to invest x thousands of pounds!
We have the same situation here at work. It is only the oldest airfield in the UK, and the NIMBY's still claim they didn't realise there was an airfield here!
Wonder if Broadmoor up the road has any vacancies, as clearly these people are too stupid for their own good!
Are these people too stupid to look at a map when they decide to invest x thousands of pounds!
We have the same situation here at work. It is only the oldest airfield in the UK, and the NIMBY's still claim they didn't realise there was an airfield here!
Wonder if Broadmoor up the road has any vacancies, as clearly these people are too stupid for their own good!
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What about cargo movements?
Look at the multitude of overnight cargo movements, mail,post,food supplies,courier material, express packages... an so on.
Operators have spent millions on upgrading fleets to Stage III compliance in order to successfully operate at night time and make a living. There are very little cargo aircraft flying at night now which are NOT stage III. What is the point of having all of this Stage III investment if there is going to be a blanket curfew?
Look how detrimental this is likely to be?
Come on, lets have some support from the air cargo fraternity.
I can understand 20 years ago when we had BAC1-11, B707 and VC10s blasting around but now - all this investment, all these other problems facing the industry - now this!!
GOODNESS GRACIOUS, WHATEVER NEXT.
SOUNDS LIKE A BIT MORE B.F.H. (BUS FARE HOME)
Look at the multitude of overnight cargo movements, mail,post,food supplies,courier material, express packages... an so on.
Operators have spent millions on upgrading fleets to Stage III compliance in order to successfully operate at night time and make a living. There are very little cargo aircraft flying at night now which are NOT stage III. What is the point of having all of this Stage III investment if there is going to be a blanket curfew?
Look how detrimental this is likely to be?
Come on, lets have some support from the air cargo fraternity.
I can understand 20 years ago when we had BAC1-11, B707 and VC10s blasting around but now - all this investment, all these other problems facing the industry - now this!!
GOODNESS GRACIOUS, WHATEVER NEXT.
SOUNDS LIKE A BIT MORE B.F.H. (BUS FARE HOME)
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I bet none of those 'idiotic 8' don't work or have friends/family work within the aviation business. These stupid, smug people have no idea what misery they may inflict on us all - they are employment terrorists. I saw their reaction when they heard they'd won - what a bunch of pompous and self-centred basŁard$.
This is the last thing the airline industry needed.
This is the last thing the airline industry needed.
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Sorry,
but at MAN/EGCC umpteen years ago an "airline Station Manager" coplained [for 20 mins] that an a/c had done a "non-standard SID".
As a plus point. A lady moved to a house less than 1 mile finals for 24R....There's hope yet!
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but at MAN/EGCC umpteen years ago an "airline Station Manager" coplained [for 20 mins] that an a/c had done a "non-standard SID".
As a plus point. A lady moved to a house less than 1 mile finals for 24R....There's hope yet!
we aim to please, it keeps the cleaners happy
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Should any of you (nearly 38,000 registered PPRuNers - and yes, you do have a powerful voice) like to write directly to the folks at HACAN, to express an alternative view point about night flights, here are some links (Nb. You'll find that these following email addresses are freely available on their site) :
The Chairman : [email protected]
Vice-Chairman : [email protected]
Enjoy.....
The Chairman : [email protected]
Vice-Chairman : [email protected]
Enjoy.....
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And I'm going to take up my human rights at the EU. Why, becaue I work nights and sleep thru the day so all those aircraft that go over my house into LHR during the day are infringing my rights to a good days kip.
And I am really at this crap
And I am really
at this crap
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OK, here's what we do. These people have been kind enough to supply their contact details here - so let's make use of them to point out the error of their ways!
For starters, ask when they moved there - and if it was after 1955, did they not notice that there were aircraft? Then point out that thousands of people rely on the airport and the passengers and cargo they bring in for their livelihoods. Ask if they are involved economically with the airport in any way. Point out that the BAA provided free double glazing for everyone affected by noise pollution. Sign up for the Snap list here and provide them with the facts.
Given the crises already facing the industry, this is something we don't need right now!
For starters, ask when they moved there - and if it was after 1955, did they not notice that there were aircraft? Then point out that thousands of people rely on the airport and the passengers and cargo they bring in for their livelihoods. Ask if they are involved economically with the airport in any way. Point out that the BAA provided free double glazing for everyone affected by noise pollution. Sign up for the Snap list here and provide them with the facts.
Given the crises already facing the industry, this is something we don't need right now!
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I live in chiswick and am disgusted by the whole thing. These people are interfering busybodies who have no thought except for their own selfish ends and the self importance that accrues from it.
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HANG ON A MINUTE.........,
1 - As has been pointed out already, this is an EU directive, not legally binding in the UK. Suprisingly,(or not), only 50% of such directives are adhered to straight away by the Government, lets hope that this is one of the 50% they ignore.
2 - Whilst Heathrow may have some restrictions placed upon it, this is because the BAA could not prove the economic necessity of having these flights at the those times.
The vast majority of night movements at other airports are economically necessary, ie night mail, parcels and urgent freight, passenger flights which cannot be operated at any other time. Therefore the likes of EMA etc are likely to be unaffected.
3 - There is, as I understand it, no UK legislation which is binding with regard to noise caused by transport.
Even if you discount the above, the political fall out of UK regional airports losing vital night trade, and therefore the whole regional economic infrastructure being affected, would be too much for the local politicians and the government to face.
1 - As has been pointed out already, this is an EU directive, not legally binding in the UK. Suprisingly,(or not), only 50% of such directives are adhered to straight away by the Government, lets hope that this is one of the 50% they ignore.
2 - Whilst Heathrow may have some restrictions placed upon it, this is because the BAA could not prove the economic necessity of having these flights at the those times.
The vast majority of night movements at other airports are economically necessary, ie night mail, parcels and urgent freight, passenger flights which cannot be operated at any other time. Therefore the likes of EMA etc are likely to be unaffected.
3 - There is, as I understand it, no UK legislation which is binding with regard to noise caused by transport.
Even if you discount the above, the political fall out of UK regional airports losing vital night trade, and therefore the whole regional economic infrastructure being affected, would be too much for the local politicians and the government to face.
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AsI understand it this is nothing to do with the EU per se, it is a European Court.
It's not the flights, it's which flights. Largely Far East and largely BA, these flights are disproportionately business-oriented. Very bad news for employees of the hundreds of FE companies along the M4 strip.
Likely loser LHR, thus London - no 2 world business centre.
Likely winners? AMS? CDG? (it's out of town after all) FRA?
I despair of this, and I live 20 miles west of LHR under the 09L approach.
It's not the flights, it's which flights. Largely Far East and largely BA, these flights are disproportionately business-oriented. Very bad news for employees of the hundreds of FE companies along the M4 strip.
Likely loser LHR, thus London - no 2 world business centre.
Likely winners? AMS? CDG? (it's out of town after all) FRA?
I despair of this, and I live 20 miles west of LHR under the 09L approach.
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Thanx Guv [what AM I saying 
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Read the blurb, sent an email..What can I do?
...hope that every other Ppruner does the same
cheers
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]Read the blurb, sent an email..What can I do?
...hope that every other Ppruner does the same cheers
we aim to please, it keeps the cleaners happy
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chiglet: As Unwell_Raptor points out this is nothing to do this the European Union. This was a ruling by the European Court of Human Rights which is a body of the Council of Europe not the EU. The CoE composes 43 countries, including Russia.
The ruling is not binding on the UK government, although they have a “strong record” of implementing them. However, the European Convention on Human Rights was recently incorporated into UK law which I think means (correct me if I’m wrong someone) that anti-noise groups could take their cases to the UK courts instead of the ECHR and the rulings would be binding.
The ruling is not binding on the UK government, although they have a “strong record” of implementing them. However, the European Convention on Human Rights was recently incorporated into UK law which I think means (correct me if I’m wrong someone) that anti-noise groups could take their cases to the UK courts instead of the ECHR and the rulings would be binding.
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European Union....European Court of Human Rights....Council of Europe......... they're all the same to me and it's quite outrageous that these people are telling us in this country how to run our lives.
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Squealing Pig, Guv and others were wondering whether these eight whingers had lived there before 1955. Well, the dates that seven of them moved in are given in the ruling at www.echr.coe.int. They are:
Philippa Edmunds 1992
Peter Thake 1990
John Hartley 1989
John Cavalla 1970
Jeffray Thomas 1975
Richard Bird 1968
Tony Anderson 1963
The top three at least shouldn’t have had a leg to stand on.
Philippa Edmunds 1992
Peter Thake 1990
John Hartley 1989
John Cavalla 1970
Jeffray Thomas 1975
Richard Bird 1968
Tony Anderson 1963
The top three at least shouldn’t have had a leg to stand on.
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If flights to/from Heathrow are to be banned for those hours (2300 to 0600) during the night, logically the people living near to every airport within the EEC (AMS, CDG and FRA included) would get the night flights banned also.
It will also put the likes of TNT, UPS, DHL and our own Royal Mail in a bit of a predicament also, with the vast majority of their flights being at those times.
It will also put the likes of TNT, UPS, DHL and our own Royal Mail in a bit of a predicament also, with the vast majority of their flights being at those times.
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I, along with many of you out there have to work during the hours quoted...can we now take our employers to the ECHR and claim they are infringing our human right to a good nights sleep......what a load of bollox this decision is, just like many of their other decisions.
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These ******s make me puke. Unfortunately, the world we live in is full of tossers. I learned to fly at Biggin Hill, an airport that is under constant harassment from the local anti-aircraft battery. I ask you, who the hell has ever heard of Biggin Hill in connection with anything other than an airport? Apparently, a lot of tossers with nothing better to do than complain about anything and everything. The same types who move to the country and complain about the noise of cockerels and the smell of cow****. The same types who think that anyone who flies must be loaded and, for that reason alone, should be stopped from enjoying themselves.I now fly, privately, on days off and weekends, from Headcorn. There are numerous villages we have to avoid on take-off and landing because some twats living there don't like the noise (!) of a Gypsy Major on a sunny afternoon. There are flight safety issues here, but I won't bore you with them on this occasion.
Give me a break! If you don't like our noise (the sound of freedom, as our American brethren would say) then don't move next door to an airport. If you choose to buy a house near an airport, then live with your decision and shut the **** up!
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Gywneth Dunwoody today indicated that the govt will not be in any rush to implement this decision which ,as has been pointed out, is not legally binding.
Let the Guardian folk have their 15 minutes of fame after which they will fade into deserved obscurity.The govt is well aware of the implications especially given the state of the industry at the moment. The ruling is actually applicable to all European airports.
I can just see the French shutting CDG overnight.
Ignore these pathetic bedwetters. Better still bombard them with emails. I have.
Let the Guardian folk have their 15 minutes of fame after which they will fade into deserved obscurity.The govt is well aware of the implications especially given the state of the industry at the moment. The ruling is actually applicable to all European airports.
I can just see the French shutting CDG overnight.
Ignore these pathetic bedwetters. Better still bombard them with emails. I have.