LHR Night Flights ?????

[harmony]

Today is D day for night flying at LHR, Local’s who live under the flight path have gone to court EU type to stop flying in the dark hours...
If they win does this mean more p45`s to be dished out and will this result in a ban for all EU airports.......

Wish I bought shares in the Euro-Tunnel....

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[Semaphore Sam]

Never too late...under 200 miles high speed rail makes much better sense. Buy those shares (if you still have a paycheck).

[Dan Winterland]

It appears they have won.

[trustno1]

They have won. The European Court of Human
Rights have ruled that people are entitled to a good nights sleep and that there should be no flights arriving or departing between 2330 and 0600. The judgements are not binding on national governments but the UK govt has always implemented the court's decision in the past.

[CP32]

What about the "Human rights" of the employees who will be affected by this ruling? Especially at this time. These stupid tossers moved to the area AFTER Heathrow became one of the world's busiest airports. This is easily the worst case of nimbyism I have ever seen! If they had their way, they would shut LHR down and let AMS, CDG, etc have all the business.
CP 32

[groundfine]

Well said CP. Another decision determined by poltical correctness swaying practical common sense. Why not limit the movements/noise levels as before or adjusted.
Maybe there will be some eventual compromise with the usual "compensation" paid for with our taxes! If so, limit it to people who moved to the area before the airport developed?

[Red Four]

Not just EGLL that this will affect. Some smaller airports rely on their nightflights to keep them afloat. Whilst LHR will always survive, there may be hard times for some small airports that do not have the throughput of pax. flights in the day,if they are also forced to kertow to this EU twaddle! What are the chances of Labour gov. not implementing? 0%?

[Wobbler]

I can't see this absurd ruling being implemented by the UK government, just because of the ridiculous precedent it sets. Next up will be all the people who live beside the North Circular or A1,or living next to a railway line, claiiming their human rights are being violated with cars and trains travelling by night - where will it end?

[nomdeplume]

I can't see this absurd ruling being implemented by the UK government .....

I hope you're right, but experience suggests otherwise. UK governments, whatever colour, almost always do what Europe says. In contrast, other countries comply if they think the decision is sensible.

Why people who don't like a/c noise choose to live near airfields/airports is beyond me.

[rtompkins]

Actually its good news.
Lets face it, Heathrow is a joke, overcrowded, delays, lousy public transport. It should have been shut years ago and a new airport built away from the most densely populated part of the UK. Maybe they will finally figure this out - move it and add a few more runways as well.

[under_exposed]

"Maybe they will finally figure this out - move it and add a few more runways as well"

.... and use the old Heathrow to land all those flying pigs.

[Squealing Pig]

I believe this was perused by just eight residents, So if like user123 suggests the moving to another area. Just 8 country bumpkins complaining about the good night’s sleep the cow & chicken are not getting they could probably stop that too.

These people will be the first to complain when the first class letter post does not arrive at seven O'clock to be read with the newspaper that also hasn’t arrived while eating there cornflakes because no night freighter could land before six.

Unless they moved in before 1955 when the main terminal was opened they shouldn’t have a leg to stand on. They probably moved in when the noisy 707s & VC10s were operating so that should have told them something, and are now complaining about relatively quiet 777s and A330s, plus aircraft are getting quieter.

[Alty Meter]

Good News!!!
I assume 'user123' isn't in the aviation industry.
This is seriously bad news for European aviation. Others in other European countries will take advantage of this stupid ruling.
Which was there first? The wealthy Richmond protesters, or LHR?

[ 02 October 2001: Message edited by: Alty Meter ]

[Trinity 09L]

Do not count me as protester, I happily bought under 09L, well aware of the noise, and lived within 6 miles of LHR since the seventies. Cannot wait for Speedbird 1 to return........

[wallup]

The BBC news report also referred to affects on other airports, such as EMA, which depends on night freight flights.

As if we did'nt have enough problems in the aviation industry.

[RVR800]

The court decided flights between 11pm and 6am infringe a person's right to have a good night's sleep, covered by article eight of the convention on rights.

Airlines and airports across the country are likely to be affected by the decision and
not just LHR

Did the people who bought houses not know
about the airport and was this reflected
in the price - I think so..........

On the other hand mopeds often wake me after
11 pm when I am asleep and people coming
back from the pub and older cars and..
etc.. ambulances police helicopters etc .. Lets Ban everything lets have a curfew after 11 p.m. in Europe so we can all get a good
night ..

The UK independance party will love this
sleep

[ 02 October 2001: Message edited by: RVR800 ]

[Ibis]

Those people shut be banned from any flight for life time!

[U R NumberOne]

Makes Aberdeen's latest closing time of 2330 (L) look positively flexible!

If this did impact on the rest of the UK (and Europe?), are we going to see the time when only a few percent of flights take place during the night and we try to pack even more aircraft into the sky and on the tarmac during the day? Sounds like a safety issue to me.

[TravelManUK]

I agree that this is silly, and wonder whether the UK Government will implement the recommendation. If 8 people are so upset over the noise...they should move! Or should we play into their hands, and ban all cars, lorries, tubes, trains, buses and motorcycles between the same times, so these eight people can get their bed rest.

I live in Central London, and hear the flights (like this a.m.'s BOS-LHR BA Flight, arriving at 05:05)...but that is part of living in a city...just like taxis whizzing down the road at 02:20 a.m., or milk floats at 5:45 a.m. with bottles rattling.

Flew back into LGW on Sunday, and we had to circle for 40 minutes above Sussex because we were not permitted to land before 6:00 a.m. Imagine the added pollution (both emission and noise wise) that created over Britain (there were 9 flights circling), just so a few cry-babies could sleep? It yielded queues at immigration 40 minutes long (a lovely welcome to Britain for tourists in an environment where tourism yield is already poor this year). So, when the 8 people wake up from their slumber, and wonder why they have no jobs becuase the economy is in a mess, perhaps they should re-think their opposition to night flying and buy a pair of ear plugs!!

LGW & LHR should be open 24 hrs!!!!! That will get my vote....and we should have T5 (and T6 while we're at it) plus extra runways for LHR & LGW and STN...and if you don't like it...move to Siberia where it is nice and quiet!!!!!!

[HOVIS]

Here's a scenario,

All night landings & t/os are banned across Europe.
The airports that are already bursting at the seems during the day will have nowhere to put the extra movements.
What UK airport has room to expand, two runways and a lcal population looking for work.
If you haven't already worked it out, MAN has all these and also has a rail link in place to take the commuters on Mr Branson's puffertrains.

The only downside is another influx of cockneys going on about how much they have just sold their 3 bed semi for and bought half of cheshire with change to spare!!