Ex CityFlyer Routes scrapped by BA
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Ex CityFlyer Routes scrapped by BA
Little has been made of the fact that three route stoppages from Gatwick by BA are ex-cityflyer routes on the RJ. What will happen to those pilots. Is it a case of Cityflyer guys out first...
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There will still be 16 Rj's at Gatwick, they are just taking sectors off the 737, some of which are going to LHR. But in the event of compulsory redundancies it does seem that it will be last in first out, and the ex CFe folk are right at the bottom of the seniority list. I think we are safe for now though
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the way i see it, if you are a (ex) CFE guy or gal on seniority and say your date of joining the BA seniority for arguments sake is 1st August 2001 but you joined CFE in say 1999, well your BA number is still 1st August 2001, so if a junior FO joined BA in july 2001, he is more senior than a CFE guy from 1999! fact of life sorry, pros and CONS of joining the big BA list. so afterall, there was a con in joining BA!!
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The legal position is that our DoJ Cityflyer has to be used for redundancy purposes, as we were merged at the companies behest. The BA seniority list has no standing in this case
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Thank you for the update, Super Stall. Gee, that cutback will hit Cork Airport hard as there were about three daily flights to Cork mostly with RJs? Not too sure what the passenger loads have been like lately but I guess things were not helped too much by BA transferring some of the North Atlantic routes back to Heathrow? Cork-Gatwick was never cheap to fly so the yield could never been that low? However, there has always been a Cork-Gatwick market ever since the days of Dan Air so I wonder will someone new take up the route again - sure hope so!
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I know, why not put an ATR on the route, that would make it work. In fact buy a fleet of ATR's and all the Ex-CFE routes would work.
Hang on, did'nt someone try that before...
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Hang on, did'nt someone try that before...
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Although i've not worked at CFE for some time I cannot believe the speed in which BA has destroyed what was a great little company. History has shown they haven't got a clue when it comes to short haul operations and that the current management couldn't organise a watch roster on a one man submarine. Talk about leaving the door wide open for the likes of Stellios (assuming he can get the slots)
Seems like a total waste of BA's 75million and I am sure that the guys that sold the company wouldn't have if they knew how badly BA was going to f*ck it up.
Sincere regards to all on the RJ and ATR.
Seems like a total waste of BA's 75million and I am sure that the guys that sold the company wouldn't have if they knew how badly BA was going to f*ck it up.
Sincere regards to all on the RJ and ATR.
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I quite agree! Like you, I left CFE for BA but can't help but marvel how soon an outfit which had been profitable for 10 years has been turned round by the new "management". BA of course could never operate relatively low yield Irish Sea and regional routes because of its staggering overhead and lack of focus away from LHR, so franchised them to those that could. Then it buys the franchisees, replaces the small management team with the partial attention of the Waterside hundreds,reapplies the attendant cost burden and lack of attention, and here we are back at square one, £75m poorer,with expensively bought slots being handed to Stelios et al for nothing.
I quite agree! Like you, I left CFE for BA but can't help but marvel how soon an outfit which had been profitable for 10 years has been turned round by the new "management". BA of course could never operate relatively low yield Irish Sea and regional routes because of its staggering overhead and lack of focus away from LHR, so franchised them to those that could. Then it buys the franchisees, replaces the small management team with the partial attention of the Waterside hundreds,reapplies the attendant cost burden and lack of attention, and here we are back at square one, £75m poorer,with expensively bought slots being handed to Stelios et al for nothing.
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Correct me if i'm wrong but aren't the measures above re-inventing something that used to exist, was well run and operated profitably?
Perhaps BB and co can be talked into another LGW based start up?
Perhaps BB and co can be talked into another LGW based start up?
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Yep its a craking bit of BA mgt. Buy a lean and profitable LGW based short-haul airline for top dollar and then merge it with a loss making unit of a very top heavy mgt wise company.
My guess is that either BA placed a "don't start another airline at EGKK that will whup our asses" clause on the deal or BB is biding his time, polishing his Ferrari, working on his golf game and waiting for the right moment. After all the way things are going those ATR/ARJ100 etc etc lease rates are going to be falling if they haven't already. To borrow a line from the the great Insector: "Now is not the time Kato" but it might be soon...
My guess is that either BA placed a "don't start another airline at EGKK that will whup our asses" clause on the deal or BB is biding his time, polishing his Ferrari, working on his golf game and waiting for the right moment. After all the way things are going those ATR/ARJ100 etc etc lease rates are going to be falling if they haven't already. To borrow a line from the the great Insector: "Now is not the time Kato" but it might be soon...
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Hi swede-basher,
Rumour had it at the time of city flyers purchase Virgin were interested, hence the £75 million. When Dan Air were acquired no one was interested hence £1.00 got the company.
You pays your money and you get?
Rumour had it at the time of city flyers purchase Virgin were interested, hence the £75 million. When Dan Air were acquired no one was interested hence £1.00 got the company.
You pays your money and you get?
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The main and substantial reason why BA bought CX was FOR THE SLOTS.
The slots will still be there when the economy picks up again.
As far as BA are concerned slots are rarer and more valuable than pilots.
The slots will still be there when the economy picks up again.
As far as BA are concerned slots are rarer and more valuable than pilots.
