US House of Representatives passes the Freedom to Fly act of 2007
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US House of Representatives passes the Freedom to Fly act of 2007
The House passed by voice vote this afternoon, 11 Dec 2007 the act to end age 60. A motion was made to count the ayes and nays later today, but it looks likely to be fast tracked to the Senate tonight or tomorrow. It is effective on the signature of the US president whom has previously said he would sign the legislation.
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Oh no! The End of the World as We Know It! 
Here's the House version of the bill:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.1125:
Here's the House version of the bill:
A BILL
To modify the age-60 retirement standard for certain pilots and, for other purposes.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the `Freedom to Fly Act of 2007'.
SEC. 2. MODIFICATION OF FAA'S AGE-60 RETIREMENT STANDARD.
(a) In General- A pilot who has attained 60 years of age may serve as a pilot of an aircraft operated by an air carrier engaged in operations under part 121 of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations, until attaining 65 years of age only if the pilot serves--
(1) as a required pilot in multi-crew aircraft operations; and
(2) with another pilot serving as a required pilot in such multi-crew aircraft operations who has not yet attained 60 years of age.
(b) Sunset of Age-60 Retirement Rule-
(1) IN GENERAL- On and after the effective date described in subsection (e), section 121.383(c) of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations shall have no further force or effect.
(2) REGULATIONS- Not later than 30 days after the effective date described in subsection (e), the Secretary of Transportation shall take such action as may be necessary to implement paragraph (1) and to modify the regulations relating to pilot privileges by reason of age.
(c) Applicability- The provisions of subsection (a) shall not provide a basis for a claim of seniority under any labor agreement in effect between a recognized bargaining unit for pilots and an air carrier engaged in operations under part 121 of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations, that is made by a person who was a pilot and who attained 60 years of age before the effective date described in subsection (e) and is seeking a position as a pilot with such air carrier following that person's termination or cessation of employment or promotion or transfer to another position with such air carrier pursuant to section 121.383(c) of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations, as in effect on the day before the effective date described in subsection (e).
(d) GAO Report After Modification of Age-60 Retirment Standard- Not later than 24 months after the effective date described in subsection (e), the Comptroller General of the United States shall report to the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation of the Senate and the Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure of the House of Representatives concerning the effect on aviation safety, if any, of the modification of the age standard contained in subsection (a).
(e) Effective Date- This Act shall take effect on the date that is 30 days after the date of the enactment of this Act.
To modify the age-60 retirement standard for certain pilots and, for other purposes.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the `Freedom to Fly Act of 2007'.
SEC. 2. MODIFICATION OF FAA'S AGE-60 RETIREMENT STANDARD.
(a) In General- A pilot who has attained 60 years of age may serve as a pilot of an aircraft operated by an air carrier engaged in operations under part 121 of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations, until attaining 65 years of age only if the pilot serves--
(1) as a required pilot in multi-crew aircraft operations; and
(2) with another pilot serving as a required pilot in such multi-crew aircraft operations who has not yet attained 60 years of age.
(b) Sunset of Age-60 Retirement Rule-
(1) IN GENERAL- On and after the effective date described in subsection (e), section 121.383(c) of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations shall have no further force or effect.
(2) REGULATIONS- Not later than 30 days after the effective date described in subsection (e), the Secretary of Transportation shall take such action as may be necessary to implement paragraph (1) and to modify the regulations relating to pilot privileges by reason of age.
(c) Applicability- The provisions of subsection (a) shall not provide a basis for a claim of seniority under any labor agreement in effect between a recognized bargaining unit for pilots and an air carrier engaged in operations under part 121 of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations, that is made by a person who was a pilot and who attained 60 years of age before the effective date described in subsection (e) and is seeking a position as a pilot with such air carrier following that person's termination or cessation of employment or promotion or transfer to another position with such air carrier pursuant to section 121.383(c) of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations, as in effect on the day before the effective date described in subsection (e).
(d) GAO Report After Modification of Age-60 Retirment Standard- Not later than 24 months after the effective date described in subsection (e), the Comptroller General of the United States shall report to the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation of the Senate and the Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure of the House of Representatives concerning the effect on aviation safety, if any, of the modification of the age standard contained in subsection (a).
(e) Effective Date- This Act shall take effect on the date that is 30 days after the date of the enactment of this Act.
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At last the US has been called screaming biting and scratching to the international table.
Let us all look forward to a new era-when the US eventually wakes up and finds that they are not the world but a small and very polluting part of it!
Let us all look forward to a new era-when the US eventually wakes up and finds that they are not the world but a small and very polluting part of it!
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Look like the bill passed unanimously...
"Fair Treatment for Experienced Pilots Act" is the title of the bill actually passed, it seems to differ somewhat from the one cited by me and in the thread title.
"Fair Treatment for Experienced Pilots Act" is the title of the bill actually passed, it seems to differ somewhat from the one cited by me and in the thread title.
House Bill Extends Pilot Retirement Age
By JIM ABRAMS – 58 minutes ago
WASHINGTON (AP) — The House voted unanimously Tuesday to extend the retirement age for commercial pilots to 65, changing a 1960 Federal Aviation Administration regulation forcing pilots to leave the cockpit at age 60.
The bill, if approved by the Senate, would put the U.S. retirement age in line with international standards. The International Civil Aviation Organization adopted an age 65 retirement age in November, 2006. The measure passed on a 390-0 vote.
"Each day that passes without raising the retirement age to 65, approximately five of our senior, most experienced pilots will be forced to retire," Transportation Committee Chairman James Oberstar, D-Minn., said.
The retirement age provision was originally included in a larger bill to reauthorize FAA programs that the House passed in September. But with the FAA bill unlikely to see action in the Senate this year, Oberstar and his Republican counterpart, Rep. John Mica, R-Fla., agreed to move the retirement bill separately in hopes of winning quick Senate approval.
The bill would require pilots who reach age 60 to have a medical certificate renewed every six months, to continue to participate in FAA pilot training and qualification programs and be administered a line check every six months.
Following international practices, flights out of U.S. airports for foreign destinations would have to have at least one pilot under age 60.
The legislation is not retroactive, and airlines would not be required to hire back pilots who retire before the measure goes into effect.
The bill is H.R. 4343.
By JIM ABRAMS – 58 minutes ago
WASHINGTON (AP) — The House voted unanimously Tuesday to extend the retirement age for commercial pilots to 65, changing a 1960 Federal Aviation Administration regulation forcing pilots to leave the cockpit at age 60.
The bill, if approved by the Senate, would put the U.S. retirement age in line with international standards. The International Civil Aviation Organization adopted an age 65 retirement age in November, 2006. The measure passed on a 390-0 vote.
"Each day that passes without raising the retirement age to 65, approximately five of our senior, most experienced pilots will be forced to retire," Transportation Committee Chairman James Oberstar, D-Minn., said.
The retirement age provision was originally included in a larger bill to reauthorize FAA programs that the House passed in September. But with the FAA bill unlikely to see action in the Senate this year, Oberstar and his Republican counterpart, Rep. John Mica, R-Fla., agreed to move the retirement bill separately in hopes of winning quick Senate approval.
The bill would require pilots who reach age 60 to have a medical certificate renewed every six months, to continue to participate in FAA pilot training and qualification programs and be administered a line check every six months.
Following international practices, flights out of U.S. airports for foreign destinations would have to have at least one pilot under age 60.
The legislation is not retroactive, and airlines would not be required to hire back pilots who retire before the measure goes into effect.
The bill is H.R. 4343.
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"Each day that passes without raising the retirement age to 65, approximately five of our senior, most experienced pilots will be forced to retire," Transportation Committee Chairman James Oberstar, D-Minn., said.
And five of our commuter pilots get a major airline job.
And five of our CFI's get to go fly 121.
And five new guys get CFI jobs......
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Hours. . . .
"And five of our younger pilots get to make captain. --- at 1200 hours!!
And five of our commuter pilots get a major airline job. --- at 600 hours!!
And five of our CFI's get to go fly 121. --- at 259 hours!!!
And five new guys get CFI jobs......" --- well, they are the ones who should be 12,000 hours!!!
Seriously, I am a CFI, and it scares me when I hear the lowering of minimums . . .
And five of our commuter pilots get a major airline job. --- at 600 hours!!
And five of our CFI's get to go fly 121. --- at 259 hours!!!
And five new guys get CFI jobs......" --- well, they are the ones who should be 12,000 hours!!!
Seriously, I am a CFI, and it scares me when I hear the lowering of minimums . . .
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solution to polution...stop delays by getting rid of RJ's into big cities
use airspace with planes that carry 150, not 50, less delays, less fuel burned.
less jobs
...and the lowering of min hiring requirements is just awful...
and Dick Cheney is WRONG
use airspace with planes that carry 150, not 50, less delays, less fuel burned.
less jobs
...and the lowering of min hiring requirements is just awful...
and Dick Cheney is WRONG
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It's your choice...
ARENDIII,
It's your choice to hate Americans and/or America. We Americans are what we are...no more, no less. I'm sorry you feel that way about us and our country. While we certainly have our share of faults, Americans are very proud to be Americans.
Although this thread is not the forum for complaints about America polluting the earth, or any other gripes you have about us, we will respectfully listen to [read] what you have to say.
Thank you for participating in PPrune.
Fly safe,
PantLoad
It's your choice to hate Americans and/or America. We Americans are what we are...no more, no less. I'm sorry you feel that way about us and our country. While we certainly have our share of faults, Americans are very proud to be Americans.
Although this thread is not the forum for complaints about America polluting the earth, or any other gripes you have about us, we will respectfully listen to [read] what you have to say.
Thank you for participating in PPrune.
Fly safe,
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60 or 65 - it makes not difference to the number of airline pilots out there, just the age at which people get their airline jobs.
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Here's the actual language that was passed:
Fair Treatment for Experienced Pilots Act (Engrossed as Agreed to or Passed by House)
110th CONGRESS
1st Session
H. R. 4343
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AN ACT
To amend title 49, United States Code, to modify age standards for pilots engaged in commercial aviation operations.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the `Fair Treatment for Experienced Pilots Act'.
SEC. 2. AGE STANDARDS FOR PILOTS.
(a) In General- Chapter 447 of title 49, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following:
`Sec. 44729. Age standards for pilots
`(a) In General- Subject to the limitation in subsection (c), a pilot may serve in multicrew covered operations until attaining 65 years of age.
`(b) Covered Operations Defined- In this section, the term `covered operations' means operations under part 121 of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations.
`(c) Limitation for International Flights-
`(1) APPLICABILITY OF ICAO STANDARD- A pilot who has attained 60 years of age may serve as pilot-in-command in covered operations between the United States and another country only if there is another pilot in the flight deck crew who has not yet attained 60 years of age.
`(2) SUNSET OF LIMITATION- Paragraph (1) shall cease to be effective on such date as the Convention on International Civil Aviation provides that a pilot who has attained 60 years of age may serve as pilot-in-command in international commercial operations without regard to whether there is another pilot in the flight deck crew who has not attained age 60.
`(d) Sunset of Age 60 Retirement Rule- On and after the date of enactment of this section, section 121.383(c) of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations, shall cease to be effective.
`(e) Applicability-
`(1) NONRETROACTIVITY- No person who has attained 60 years of age before the date of enactment of this section may serve as a pilot for an air carrier engaged in covered operations unless--
`(A) such person is in the employment of that air carrier in such operations on such date of enactment as a required flight deck crew member; or
`(B) such person is newly hired by an air carrier as a pilot on or after such date of enactment without credit for prior seniority or prior longevity for benefits or other terms related to length of service prior to the date of rehire under any labor agreement or employment policies of the air carrier.
`(2) PROTECTION FOR COMPLIANCE- An action taken in conformance with this section, taken in conformance with a regulation issued to carry out this section, or taken prior to the date of enactment of this section in conformance with section 121.383(c) of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations (as in effect before such date of enactment), may not serve as a basis for liability or relief in a proceeding, brought under any employment law or regulation, before any court or agency of the United States or of any State or locality.
`(f) Amendments to Labor Agreements and Benefit Plans- Any amendment to a labor agreement or benefit plan of an air carrier that is required to conform with the requirements of this section or a regulation issued to carry out this section, and is applicable to pilots represented for collective bargaining, shall be made by agreement of the air carrier and the designated bargaining representative of the pilots of the air carrier.
`(g) Medical Standards and Records-
`(1) MEDICAL EXAMINATIONS AND STANDARDS- Except as provided by paragraph (2), a person serving as a pilot for an air carrier engaged in covered operations shall not be subject to different medical standards, or different, greater, or more frequent medical examinations, on account of age unless the Secretary determines (based on data received or studies published after the date of enactment of this section) that different medical standards, or different, greater, or more frequent medical examinations, are needed to ensure an adequate level of safety in flight.
`(2) DURATION OF FIRST-CLASS MEDICAL CERTIFICATE- No person who has attained 60 years of age may serve as a pilot of an air carrier engaged in covered operations unless the person has a first-class medical certificate. Such a certificate shall expire on the last day of the 6-month period following the date of examination shown on the certificate.
`(h) Safety-
`(1) TRAINING- Each air carrier engaged in covered operations shall continue to use pilot training and qualification programs approved by the Federal Aviation Administration, with specific emphasis on initial and recurrent training and qualification of pilots who have attained 60 years of age, to ensure continued acceptable levels of pilot skill and judgment.
`(2) LINE EVALUATIONS- Not later than 6 months after the date of enactment of this section, and every 6 months thereafter, an air carrier engaged in covered operations shall evaluate the performance of each pilot of the air carrier who has attained 60 years of age through a line check of such pilot. Notwithstanding the preceding sentence, an air carrier shall not be required to conduct for a 6-month period a line check under this paragraph of a pilot serving as second-in-command if the pilot has undergone a regularly scheduled simulator evaluation during that period.
`(3) GAO REPORT- Not later than 24 months after the date of enactment of this section, the Comptroller General shall submit to the Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure of the House of Representatives and the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation of the Senate a report concerning the effect, if any, on aviation safety of the modification to pilot age standards made by subsection (a).'.
(b) Clerical Amendment- The analysis for chapter 447 of title 49, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following:
`44729. Age standards for pilots.'.
Passed the House of Representatives December 11, 2007.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.4343:
Fair Treatment for Experienced Pilots Act (Engrossed as Agreed to or Passed by House)
110th CONGRESS
1st Session
H. R. 4343
---------------------------------------------------------------
AN ACT
To amend title 49, United States Code, to modify age standards for pilots engaged in commercial aviation operations.
Be it enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives of the United States of America in Congress assembled,
SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE.
This Act may be cited as the `Fair Treatment for Experienced Pilots Act'.
SEC. 2. AGE STANDARDS FOR PILOTS.
(a) In General- Chapter 447 of title 49, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following:
`Sec. 44729. Age standards for pilots
`(a) In General- Subject to the limitation in subsection (c), a pilot may serve in multicrew covered operations until attaining 65 years of age.
`(b) Covered Operations Defined- In this section, the term `covered operations' means operations under part 121 of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations.
`(c) Limitation for International Flights-
`(1) APPLICABILITY OF ICAO STANDARD- A pilot who has attained 60 years of age may serve as pilot-in-command in covered operations between the United States and another country only if there is another pilot in the flight deck crew who has not yet attained 60 years of age.
`(2) SUNSET OF LIMITATION- Paragraph (1) shall cease to be effective on such date as the Convention on International Civil Aviation provides that a pilot who has attained 60 years of age may serve as pilot-in-command in international commercial operations without regard to whether there is another pilot in the flight deck crew who has not attained age 60.
`(d) Sunset of Age 60 Retirement Rule- On and after the date of enactment of this section, section 121.383(c) of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations, shall cease to be effective.
`(e) Applicability-
`(1) NONRETROACTIVITY- No person who has attained 60 years of age before the date of enactment of this section may serve as a pilot for an air carrier engaged in covered operations unless--
`(A) such person is in the employment of that air carrier in such operations on such date of enactment as a required flight deck crew member; or
`(B) such person is newly hired by an air carrier as a pilot on or after such date of enactment without credit for prior seniority or prior longevity for benefits or other terms related to length of service prior to the date of rehire under any labor agreement or employment policies of the air carrier.
`(2) PROTECTION FOR COMPLIANCE- An action taken in conformance with this section, taken in conformance with a regulation issued to carry out this section, or taken prior to the date of enactment of this section in conformance with section 121.383(c) of title 14, Code of Federal Regulations (as in effect before such date of enactment), may not serve as a basis for liability or relief in a proceeding, brought under any employment law or regulation, before any court or agency of the United States or of any State or locality.
`(f) Amendments to Labor Agreements and Benefit Plans- Any amendment to a labor agreement or benefit plan of an air carrier that is required to conform with the requirements of this section or a regulation issued to carry out this section, and is applicable to pilots represented for collective bargaining, shall be made by agreement of the air carrier and the designated bargaining representative of the pilots of the air carrier.
`(g) Medical Standards and Records-
`(1) MEDICAL EXAMINATIONS AND STANDARDS- Except as provided by paragraph (2), a person serving as a pilot for an air carrier engaged in covered operations shall not be subject to different medical standards, or different, greater, or more frequent medical examinations, on account of age unless the Secretary determines (based on data received or studies published after the date of enactment of this section) that different medical standards, or different, greater, or more frequent medical examinations, are needed to ensure an adequate level of safety in flight.
`(2) DURATION OF FIRST-CLASS MEDICAL CERTIFICATE- No person who has attained 60 years of age may serve as a pilot of an air carrier engaged in covered operations unless the person has a first-class medical certificate. Such a certificate shall expire on the last day of the 6-month period following the date of examination shown on the certificate.
`(h) Safety-
`(1) TRAINING- Each air carrier engaged in covered operations shall continue to use pilot training and qualification programs approved by the Federal Aviation Administration, with specific emphasis on initial and recurrent training and qualification of pilots who have attained 60 years of age, to ensure continued acceptable levels of pilot skill and judgment.
`(2) LINE EVALUATIONS- Not later than 6 months after the date of enactment of this section, and every 6 months thereafter, an air carrier engaged in covered operations shall evaluate the performance of each pilot of the air carrier who has attained 60 years of age through a line check of such pilot. Notwithstanding the preceding sentence, an air carrier shall not be required to conduct for a 6-month period a line check under this paragraph of a pilot serving as second-in-command if the pilot has undergone a regularly scheduled simulator evaluation during that period.
`(3) GAO REPORT- Not later than 24 months after the date of enactment of this section, the Comptroller General shall submit to the Committee on Transportation and Infrastructure of the House of Representatives and the Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation of the Senate a report concerning the effect, if any, on aviation safety of the modification to pilot age standards made by subsection (a).'.
(b) Clerical Amendment- The analysis for chapter 447 of title 49, United States Code, is amended by adding at the end the following:
`44729. Age standards for pilots.'.
Passed the House of Representatives December 11, 2007.
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A closer look...
Let see, 172Heavy, you might be surprised at the following...
In the late 1970's I personally was training First Officers for a major overseas airline in the B707, and when I received same for training, they had, up to that time, a total of 260 hours.
All passed (very selectively considered beforehand) and absolutely none crashed.
All are serior Captains now, or have just retired.
Just think, it is possible....
In the late 1970's I personally was training First Officers for a major overseas airline in the B707, and when I received same for training, they had, up to that time, a total of 260 hours.
All passed (very selectively considered beforehand) and absolutely none crashed.
All are serior Captains now, or have just retired.
Just think, it is possible....
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Heh Grandad! Switch on your Hearing Aid!
I love this logic that we'll let old timers sit up the front but only if they're with a younger chap. Is this so they can be helped to the toilet?
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And five of our younger pilots get to make captain.
And five of our commuter pilots get a major airline job.
And five of our CFI's get to go fly 121.
And five new guys get CFI jobs......
And five of our commuter pilots get a major airline job.
And five of our CFI's get to go fly 121.
And five new guys get CFI jobs......
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No, it's the same amount of time "in the business" - you just start later in life.
And using the time value of money, that is less earnings total.
And this doesn't help pensions at all......
There are only so many jobs in the piloting profession. All we've done is slid the employable age bracket to the right five years.
And using the time value of money, that is less earnings total.
And this doesn't help pensions at all......
There are only so many jobs in the piloting profession. All we've done is slid the employable age bracket to the right five years.
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solution to polution...stop delays by getting rid of RJ's into big cities
use airspace with planes that carry 150, not 50, less delays, less fuel burned.
less jobs
use airspace with planes that carry 150, not 50, less delays, less fuel burned.
less jobs
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I still remember when the berlin airlift went to all C54's instead of DC3's
airspace is airspace, put something big there and take more people
we used to take 100-150 seaters into LGA, take them to PIT and they switched to smaller planes to go to "smallville"...we ran on time except for wx.
time to reregulate the industry!
airspace is airspace, put something big there and take more people
we used to take 100-150 seaters into LGA, take them to PIT and they switched to smaller planes to go to "smallville"...we ran on time except for wx.
time to reregulate the industry!