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Air Europa 738 at Katowice?

Old 28th Oct 2007, 12:42
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Air Europa 738 at Katowice?

Saw this thread on A.net; anyone have further information?

"Polish press reported that an Air Europa Boeing 737-800 almost crashed at Katowice, Poland on Saturday night.
The plane was chartered to bring Polish soldiers from the Middle East and was on its way from Beirut.
During the approach to Katowice in foggy conditions the aircraft descended too low and damaged approach lights to the runway stretching 870 meters before the runway. The approach lights varied in height from less than 1 meter to 10 meters.
The aircraft suffered extensive damage to the fuselage, wings and the engine coverings but managed to land safely with 111 passengers and 11 crewmembers. Polish Aviation authority is investigating the accident. The aircraft will remain in Katowice for repairs. The repairs to the approach lights will take a few weeks and will affect landings of some aircraft in bad weather conditions."
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Old 28th Oct 2007, 17:40
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Photos from polish site gazeta.pl











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Looks they were lucky.

I am not sure, if and how they will be able to do the repairs there.
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Oops...

IMHO....I'd rather hve Pablo M. flying me than those guys.

Cheers, bm
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Amazing photos. They were lucky to get away with that. The press report states "foggy", I wonder if it was an autoland or handflown?
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Old 28th Oct 2007, 18:37
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Just in the main news in Polish national TV:
"the pilot didn't report the incident to the TWR,
he landed and taxied to position as nothing happened.
Only after the ground crew noticed damages rescue was informed.
The ground crew smelled alcohol on the pilot when inpecting the plane
with him after the incident..."

The plane was chartered by UN to bring back Polish UN
soldiers after their peace mission in Bejrut.
Glad everybody alive.
To survive Lebanon and die on landing at home...
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They did breathalyse them at the airport, didn't they?
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Old 28th Oct 2007, 18:47
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Officials say:
"the incident is under investigation by the Aircraft Accident Investigation Board"

I doubt they were on time there to do the breath analyse...
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Old 28th Oct 2007, 20:10
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Angry bad informer

i think you should be care with your comments about the crew of that aircraft, because nobody of ground crew have said that the pilot smell alcohol. and maybe you should have good information about the airport and the conditions for the landing.
first have true news and then write don´t invent, that is sad
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Look at the pictures,except of emergency,ACFT doesn´t look like this normaly after LDG. And arriving at the stand without noticing such extensive damage is unlikely. The crew has a lot to explain I think. But fortunately they have opportunity...
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Plane is 8-years old according to, http://aviation-safety.net/database/...?id=20071028-0
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To survive Lebanon and die on landing at home...
x2, now that would be a heartbreaker.

Glad to see that a couple of banged up approach lights, and some dents here and there is all it ended at. Could have been worse.
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What facilities does this airport have CATII/III or CATor even only non-precision?
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...sorry, pal, but I just quoted what I've heard on main news,
19:30 Channel One Polish TV...
I put in "", to be sure everybody understands it's a quotation,
not my information or opinion.

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I have not been to Katowice for about a year and a half, but at that time it was CAT 1 only.
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Old 29th Oct 2007, 09:02
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It is CAT 1...

http://www.ais.pata.pl/aip/aip.php?P...289255fb6bb82c

Type of aid, CAT of ILS/MLS
ILS LLZ KAT 109.900 MHz H24 50°28’27.53”N 019°02’56.43”E
CAT I RWY 27. 266°, 0.42 km FM THR 09.

ILS GP - 333.800 MHz H24 50°28’32.08”N 019°05’20.93”E
GP 3.2°, 0.15 km N FM RCL
0.35 km W FM THR 27 along RCL, RDH = 16.7 m.

and maybe you should have good information about the airport and the conditions for the landing.
first have true news and then write don´t invent, that is sad
...they were obviously landing below minimums for this location...

EPKT 280300Z VRB02KT 0400 R27/0500 R09/1000 FG SCT002 BKN005 08/08 Q1027
EPKT 280230Z 00000KT 0300 R27/0500 R09/1000 FG BKN001 08/08 Q1027
EPKT 280200Z VRB02KT 0300 R27/0500 R09/0600 FG BKN001 08/08 Q1027

Last edited by Ptkay; 29th Oct 2007 at 09:39. Reason: Corrected the METAR times to time of landing
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They were obviously landing below minimums for this location;

Can you please enlighten us further?
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http://wiadomosci.onet.pl/1631532,11,item.html

...on Polish internet portal:

"Przedstawiciele lotniska nie chcą dywagować, czy przyczyną wypadku był przede wszystkim błąd pilota. Sprawę bada także prokuratura. Decyzją prokuratora pilotowi pobrano krew, która będzie zbadana na zawartość alkoholu."

"The airport representative do not want to speculate, if the pilot error
was the main reason of the accident. The public prosecutor's office is investigating the case. By the prosecutors order blood sample of the pilot was taken, which later shall be checked for alcohol content."
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Can you please enlighten us further?
I might be wrong...

The ATC asserts to the same portal, that:

"W nocy nad lotniskiem była mgła, ale widoczność pozwalała na lądowanie."

"There was fog over the airfield that night, but visibility was sufficient for landing"

Would you land CAT I by such METAR ?

EPKT 280200Z VRB02KT 0300 R27/0500 R09/0600 FG BKN001 08/08 Q1027
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Old 29th Oct 2007, 09:44
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Ptkay - you have us all confused! The met you have posted for the night of 27/28 October is certainly ABOVE normal CatI requirements. The link at ASN in post #11 quotes weather for the night of 26/27 October which is even better.

Does anyone know for sure:-

a) which night this occurred?
b) Air Europa's minima for a CatI in EKPT R27 ILS?
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