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Air Europa 738 at Katowice?

Old 24th Dec 2017, 18:13
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Earlier linked report says crew went back to work after extra sim and line training... How in heavens name, I don't know. I'm all for just culture but walking away from a plane that looked like that, knowing you must have cut down a whole hedge of approach lights, and still just going to the hotel like nothing happened, not notifying anyone... I'd say that's a whole lot of negligence and bad intent that does not belong in a just culture, without even considering the actual incident itself.
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Old 24th Dec 2017, 19:07
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Still employed by the airline in question according to the report.
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Old 25th Dec 2017, 15:30
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Well, we are talking about an airline that publishes an addendum called 'allegations to report' in which it agrees with everything in the report. Maybe something got lost in Google translate or just another Spanish pilot with English level 6?
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Old 25th Dec 2017, 23:46
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They should have gone with "the being drunk" excuse, at least they would have had a good excuse!
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Old 26th Dec 2017, 08:58
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The fact that they went to the Hotel and said nothing is enough of a reason never to fly with Aea ever again..... How spineless you need to be to do that!
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Old 26th Dec 2017, 09:12
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The fact that they went to the Hotel and said nothing is enough .........

If that is true, and after a car crash, it is an offence to leave the scene of an accident. Would there not also be an offence in the this case? This is the type of operation, well out of normal territory, where you would take your own engineering support. There must have been some raised eyebrows on the walk round.
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Old 27th Dec 2017, 09:55
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Old 27th Dec 2017, 09:59
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download the pdf: http://mib.gov.pl/files/0/1797511/466ang.pdf
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Old 27th Dec 2017, 14:35
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I also suspect shock played a key part in them not telling ATC at the time, or anyone. Quite out of character for any pilot.

Quite frankly, they were very lucky! It could have ended up far worse....
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Old 27th Dec 2017, 14:35
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With three people in the cockpit, you'd have thought someone could have said something, anything, to change the outcome of this obviously rushed and out-of-limits approach?

I only hope that if I ever find myself in this position I can step back and ask "are we really doing the right thing here" or "is there another way to do this any better?"
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Old 28th Dec 2017, 14:53
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It's interesting that the report doesn't even mention crew alertness or fatigue.

They reported at 1830L and pushed at 2008L. The accident happened at 4 in the morning after a long duty. 0400 is the perfect time of day for some suboptimal decision making (same time of day as the flydubai) - and may well explain the lack of gumption when it came to alerting authorities of their ploughing activities.
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Old 28th Dec 2017, 22:28
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I completely respect the fact that they would’ve been at a particularly low ebb physiologically, however these were the actions of a crew where there was no bottom line. I won’t even comment on the integrity matter post event. The whole report shocks tbh

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