William Hague Flies the Flag (US)
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Foxxy - of course you can operate N registered aircraft on a British AOC. What do you think Atlas Air have been doing with their 747s leased to BA; and Tradewinds etc with various aircraft leased to UK charter operators?
Really ought to get your facts straight, old chap!
Still, I agree that in the case of the Yanks, their aircraft should be banned from the EU until they allow full wet leases over there.
Really ought to get your facts straight, old chap!
Still, I agree that in the case of the Yanks, their aircraft should be banned from the EU until they allow full wet leases over there.
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There have been several cases of N reg aircraft operated on a British AOC to British company SOPs.
The procedure was via an exemption granted by the CAA. Crews were issued US licenses on the back of CAA qualifications with a restriction to registration and area of operation which did not, of course, include the US.
The reason was usually one of expediency and was temporary in nature until the necessary paperwork was in place.
The procedure was via an exemption granted by the CAA. Crews were issued US licenses on the back of CAA qualifications with a restriction to registration and area of operation which did not, of course, include the US.
The reason was usually one of expediency and was temporary in nature until the necessary paperwork was in place.
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Yes i am well aware of Tri-Air with the Falcon, as an exception and the commercials like Atlas etc that lease a/c to British AOC operators, and having been involved with leasing commercial freigters into the UK on N reg am fairly up to speed on the regs, but i do feel the point of the thread has been lost completly.
Hague uses a private A109 on N Reg that is not available for any other 3rd party use and the aircraft is paid for by donor = public transport
Commercial aircraft leasing is one thing, and operating a privately owned N reg a/c for hire and reward is completly different.
And it makes no odds whose driving it or which hangar it lives in.
Hague uses a private A109 on N Reg that is not available for any other 3rd party use and the aircraft is paid for by donor = public transport
Commercial aircraft leasing is one thing, and operating a privately owned N reg a/c for hire and reward is completly different.
And it makes no odds whose driving it or which hangar it lives in.
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No its not already been agreed that the N reg 109 is on their AOC, the "109 type" is on the AOC not the N reg a/c. Big Difference!
Believe me, if it was a case of just having an aoc with the 109 type on it, then we would have been operating them for years instead of the hideous cost of putting it on the G reg, which only Castle air is any good at.
Believe me, if it was a case of just having an aoc with the 109 type on it, then we would have been operating them for years instead of the hideous cost of putting it on the G reg, which only Castle air is any good at.
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surely a n reg aircraft can only be opperated by a us company for part 135 opps
a uk citizen can not own a n reg aircraft it has to be through a us trust .
if you opperate a company in the uk [uk limited liability co ] how can you own or lease a us reg aircraft to put on your aoc?
a uk citizen can not own a n reg aircraft it has to be through a us trust .
if you opperate a company in the uk [uk limited liability co ] how can you own or lease a us reg aircraft to put on your aoc?
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The aircraft in question is owned by a US corporation.:
N133H
Aircraft Serial Number : 7609
Aircraft Manufacturer : AGUSTA SPA
Model : A109C
Aircraft Year :
Owner Name : THAMES AVIATION INC OWNER TRUSTEE
Owner Address : 1209 N ORANGE ST WILMINGTON, DE, 19801-1120
Registration Date : 21-Nov-1995
Airworthiness Certificate Type : Not Specified
N133H
Aircraft Serial Number : 7609
Aircraft Manufacturer : AGUSTA SPA
Model : A109C
Aircraft Year :
Owner Name : THAMES AVIATION INC OWNER TRUSTEE
Owner Address : 1209 N ORANGE ST WILMINGTON, DE, 19801-1120
Registration Date : 21-Nov-1995
Airworthiness Certificate Type : Not Specified
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Not sure what the UK regs are but do know the US ones. First question is state of registry of the aircraft, second question is the bilateral agreement between the state of registry and state where the aircraft will be operated, third question is the operation(s) that will be conducted. Try this: a Canadian registered aircraft, modified by a company in the UK to the extent flight characteristics are changed, chartered by a US company to do aviation work (not pax carriage for hire). Sure gets complicated quick.
In the US there is no reason why a foreign registered aircraft can not conduct a commercial operation (not Part 121 air carrier, maybe not Part 135) if it has obtained a letter of authority from the Department of Transportation. The use of a A109 by somebody for flying a third party around the UK (assume somebody is paying the actual operator/owner/leasee of the aircraft for it) could probably be considered acommercial operation, not public transportation, and probably could be conducted with approval of the UK authorities in accordance with whatever bilateral there is.
I would question the sanity of a politician flying around in a foreign reg aircraft, but that is the politician's problem. How many of the general public know s$#@ from shinola about reg numbers? Except anoreks.
In the US there is no reason why a foreign registered aircraft can not conduct a commercial operation (not Part 121 air carrier, maybe not Part 135) if it has obtained a letter of authority from the Department of Transportation. The use of a A109 by somebody for flying a third party around the UK (assume somebody is paying the actual operator/owner/leasee of the aircraft for it) could probably be considered acommercial operation, not public transportation, and probably could be conducted with approval of the UK authorities in accordance with whatever bilateral there is.
I would question the sanity of a politician flying around in a foreign reg aircraft, but that is the politician's problem. How many of the general public know s$#@ from shinola about reg numbers? Except anoreks.
