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DHL aircraft under attack
Today i heard there was a DHL aircraft under attack in Iraq and apparently it is the third one since July. Can anybody confirm the story.
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That would fit as it is a war zone after all.
Tombstone regulation comes to mind here. It will continue to be safe until an aircraft is shot down (resulting in fatalities), then said company will deem it unsafe, for a period, then flights will be resumed.
This of course is another glaring example of pilot's unable to "stick together" as a group to not only enforce decent salaries but on matters of safety, which is even more disturbing. You can guarantee there wont be one rule broken on those flight decks and all sops will be obeyed and carried out to the "letter" and all departures as published. Why?? Because of matters of safety!! Then WTF are they doing operating in a WAR ZONE? Is this not a safety related matter? Corporate greed guys, that's what it is. I wonder how much more money you are being paid to go in there, or are you ordered to go by some fat b
d hiding behind a desk?
Maybe I have got it all wrong.
Tombstone regulation comes to mind here. It will continue to be safe until an aircraft is shot down (resulting in fatalities), then said company will deem it unsafe, for a period, then flights will be resumed.
This of course is another glaring example of pilot's unable to "stick together" as a group to not only enforce decent salaries but on matters of safety, which is even more disturbing. You can guarantee there wont be one rule broken on those flight decks and all sops will be obeyed and carried out to the "letter" and all departures as published. Why?? Because of matters of safety!! Then WTF are they doing operating in a WAR ZONE? Is this not a safety related matter? Corporate greed guys, that's what it is. I wonder how much more money you are being paid to go in there, or are you ordered to go by some fat b
d hiding behind a desk?Maybe I have got it all wrong.
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Would Joehunt care to ammend his post to "anOTHER a/c gets shot down."???
If DHL are still operating here, his prophesy has already been proven true....
Stay safe out there. UE
If DHL are still operating here, his prophesy has already been proven true....
Stay safe out there. UE
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yep a mortar shell landed one gate over from where they (turbo prop) were parked in Basrah in July.
today heard that 'the boys had a truck bomb shake the plane' (727, but don't know where in Iraq)
don't forget yer flak jackets, lads.
today heard that 'the boys had a truck bomb shake the plane' (727, but don't know where in Iraq)
don't forget yer flak jackets, lads.
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About a week ago, a 727 had a terrible shake while parked in Mosul. The mortar landed within 60 meters of the right wing! The crew thought a truck had hit the acft in the back.
Mortars impacts have been observed there several times before that incident, since the acft is parked close to the fence and the airport is surrounded by the city.
The airline director and the inspector at the civil aviation authority ( the little king ) are still very happy with safety conditions there and have not suspended the flights.
The airline director is putting enormous pressure on the crews to continue the flights to Mosul and threatened to terminate whoever does not want to get the job done. A lot of pilots are still refusing to fly to Mosul.
The acft in Basrah was actually hit by debris of the mortar and was damaged. The crew was at the acft at the time, but luckily was not hurt.
The truck bomb yesterday in Balad was reported as a controlled explosion by DHL security, although it resulted in several fatalities!
Supposedly, DHL in Germany would allow flights to Iraq only if the safety conditions are satisfactory!
Mortars impacts have been observed there several times before that incident, since the acft is parked close to the fence and the airport is surrounded by the city.
The airline director and the inspector at the civil aviation authority ( the little king ) are still very happy with safety conditions there and have not suspended the flights.
The airline director is putting enormous pressure on the crews to continue the flights to Mosul and threatened to terminate whoever does not want to get the job done. A lot of pilots are still refusing to fly to Mosul.
The acft in Basrah was actually hit by debris of the mortar and was damaged. The crew was at the acft at the time, but luckily was not hurt.
The truck bomb yesterday in Balad was reported as a controlled explosion by DHL security, although it resulted in several fatalities!
Supposedly, DHL in Germany would allow flights to Iraq only if the safety conditions are satisfactory!
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What about the February attack, when the 727 chief pilot approached into Mosul and was fired upon with a mortar at 150 agl prior to touchdown?
A report was filed and was kept confidential.To this date , still no news about any incident in Mosul.
The airline director still believes ,that landing in Mosul is safe, even though he now requires the crews to wear personal protection equipment.
Supposedly, there is a secured corridor that should allow a safe approach, BUT the americans have denied it ever existed due the lack of military resources.
Go figure!
A report was filed and was kept confidential.To this date , still no news about any incident in Mosul.
The airline director still believes ,that landing in Mosul is safe, even though he now requires the crews to wear personal protection equipment.
Supposedly, there is a secured corridor that should allow a safe approach, BUT the americans have denied it ever existed due the lack of military resources.
Go figure!
I don't quite know where this thread is heading but are any of you out there really trying to tell me that being attacked in Iraq would come as a surprise to any of the crews who have decided to operate therein during the current climate?
If so, then they are immensely naive or they are being paid a lot of money!
I got the "being shot at bit in the Middle East" out of the way when I was in the military. There simply isn't enough money in the world to persuade me to do it in my leisure (civilian) time!
If so, then they are immensely naive or they are being paid a lot of money!
I got the "being shot at bit in the Middle East" out of the way when I was in the military. There simply isn't enough money in the world to persuade me to do it in my leisure (civilian) time!
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A German company will authorise its crews to operate in a war zone, but the German government will not allow its military personnel to go to the front line in Afghanistan in support of a NATO operation. The DHL crews should send white feathers to Angela Merkel.
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it would be interesting to find out the details of the attack on the turbo prop .this is serious especially if an A/C was damage in the process. what about the pilots? where they close to the A/C ? these are questions to be answer since i am pretty sure people less ordinary than myself are probably reading this. . what can i says guys be carefull out there it is a war after all.
PS thinking of it, maybe if it help i will send this thread to your news papert o see what they can dig up.
PS (little King )???????????? any explanation
. what can i says guys be carefull out there it is a war after all. PS thinking of it, maybe if it help i will send this thread to your news papert o see what they can dig up.
PS (little King )???????????? any explanation
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Achtung! I am upset with your CAA guys. It must be lenient in my opinion. Shame! I don't see the German CAA authorizing such flights.Where is your Authority?
I believe DHL is having double standards when it comes to safety overseas. Don't you have someone in charge of the safety of your work place?
I hope someone will be able to stop this non sense before there is a loss a life! I remind you that your Airbus crew was extremely lucky to survive.Can't DHL learn from past accidents?
Seriously,your lives are worth much more than that.
I believe DHL is having double standards when it comes to safety overseas. Don't you have someone in charge of the safety of your work place?
I hope someone will be able to stop this non sense before there is a loss a life! I remind you that your Airbus crew was extremely lucky to survive.Can't DHL learn from past accidents?
Seriously,your lives are worth much more than that.
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DHL is german owned but the German CAA has nothing to do with it ,im not sure what airline is opperating these flight ,it might be a spanish one or one based in Bahrain.
DHL doesnt care about the safety they care about the money
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DHL doesnt care about the safety they care about the money
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i heard they don't have a director of safety anymore for at least 4 months. I think no one is crazy enough to take this position. or maybe you should give it to you Airline director who is maintenance director as well i hear
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Yes , A aircraft sustained damage from IDF[Mortar]on the ramp at ORMM. Lucky the crew had PPE.[personal protection equipment].
P P E for Iraq crews .
1 RayBans
2 Condom
You are good to go boys
Safety 1st
Bye
P P E for Iraq crews .
1 RayBans
2 Condom
You are good to go boys
Safety 1st
Bye
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DHL
The DHL "airline" director obviously has no clue what he is doing! Again. (I could comment on the "maintenance" of the fleet but will reserve that for future). Okay, so he flew to Mosul and spent a night in the military base, BIG WHOOP!! Try flying into and out of said base regularly. Bet he had to change his underwear on landing anyway.
The fact remains that regardless of how many measures you take on the ground, that the REAL danger is while in the air, on approach and departure. All very well to have published company "procedures" regarding arrivals and depature from these airfields. Management know all too well that the DHL procedures are hardly ever followed due to the volume of traffic and US military controllers giving absurd instructions like "descent to 4000ft" while still 10-15 NM out from any given field. As long as the job gets done.. Worse still, some DHL pilots actually comply with these ATC instructions! It boggles the mind why anyone would be so stupid as to not realise that, as soon as one of the DHL aircraft get shot out of the sky, while tootling along at 4000 ft AGL over very hostile territory, that DHL and the "life insurers" will wash their hands clean of any liability by reminding your grieving widow and children/parents that you did not follow company procedure and that they are, "unfortunately" not entitled to any financial payout.
I say, comply with the procedure, if unable to complete the full procedure due to traffic etc, divert and return to homebase. Watch the pressure mount when you actually comply with written company procedures and the job does not get done.... I believe that you would be "invited to resign" by the airline manager rather quickly, as demonstrated by him recently when crew refused to fly to Mosul after the mortar attack. Same goes for flying into Iraq at night, WRITTEN DHL company procedures state clearly that no night flying in Iraq is allowed, how is then that certain flights are planned into Iraq at night? How is it that certain crew accept these flights? Because the usual spin is "that particular field is perfectly safe, even at night", okay, which of the other DHL procedures can we choose to ignore then in the future??
The fact remains that regardless of how many measures you take on the ground, that the REAL danger is while in the air, on approach and departure. All very well to have published company "procedures" regarding arrivals and depature from these airfields. Management know all too well that the DHL procedures are hardly ever followed due to the volume of traffic and US military controllers giving absurd instructions like "descent to 4000ft" while still 10-15 NM out from any given field. As long as the job gets done.. Worse still, some DHL pilots actually comply with these ATC instructions! It boggles the mind why anyone would be so stupid as to not realise that, as soon as one of the DHL aircraft get shot out of the sky, while tootling along at 4000 ft AGL over very hostile territory, that DHL and the "life insurers" will wash their hands clean of any liability by reminding your grieving widow and children/parents that you did not follow company procedure and that they are, "unfortunately" not entitled to any financial payout.
I say, comply with the procedure, if unable to complete the full procedure due to traffic etc, divert and return to homebase. Watch the pressure mount when you actually comply with written company procedures and the job does not get done.... I believe that you would be "invited to resign" by the airline manager rather quickly, as demonstrated by him recently when crew refused to fly to Mosul after the mortar attack. Same goes for flying into Iraq at night, WRITTEN DHL company procedures state clearly that no night flying in Iraq is allowed, how is then that certain flights are planned into Iraq at night? How is it that certain crew accept these flights? Because the usual spin is "that particular field is perfectly safe, even at night", okay, which of the other DHL procedures can we choose to ignore then in the future??
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Danger Pay????? Are you serious, Iraq is not dangerous AB proved it .Get real buddy! This is just a job and nobody here deserves danger pay.
Besides if it was that dangerous one would expect better maintenance, not 4 engines in 6 months and C checks done in Addis Abbaba where any box can be ticked for the right amount.
Besides if it was that dangerous one would expect better maintenance, not 4 engines in 6 months and C checks done in Addis Abbaba where any box can be ticked for the right amount.
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Mickey....
What about the February attack, when the 727 chief pilot approached into Mosul and was fired upon with a mortar at 150 agl prior to touchdown?
An RPG, Recoilless rifle, Strella or similar, but a mortar...pffft yeah right!!
Once on the ground, yup, they are fair game!
Now is the DHL contract run under 'DHL' callsign or are they using their other pseudonyms like "PHG" "British Gulf" and the list goes on.....
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I cant see what all the fuss is about. Well I never saw any dead bodies, so it must be safe! Right?
Now you good chaps, go back to work so I can continue to make money, while I dodge the flak from behind my desk.
Now you good chaps, go back to work so I can continue to make money, while I dodge the flak from behind my desk.