Noise Lobby -Airline Bashing
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Noise Lobby -Airline Bashing
As if aviation didn't face enough problems already, the noise lobby seem to be stepping up the pressure against us. It wouldn't be so bad if these were aimed at rducing noise levels for all types of transport -but it is just aviation which is seen as a milk cow by everyone. Yes aircraft do make some noise but they are vastly quiter than they were 20 years ago. Can the road or rail industries say the same thing?
I have just received a "survey" from an MP asking to support noise restrictions at a UK airport. Has anyone ever received any such survey regarding road or rail noise?
I have just received a "survey" from an MP asking to support noise restrictions at a UK airport. Has anyone ever received any such survey regarding road or rail noise?
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Whenever the noise lobby come out it always seems that they fail to mention that the "local residents" who are complaining about the noise have actually been there less time than the Airport i.e. they moved there by choice
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I used to live near the railway line in Horley. The trains going past used to rattle the pictures on the wall but when I moved there the railway didn't sneak up over night. These things really get your goat don't they.
It's a bit like people moving to the countryside and complaining about the noise the cows make. Tough s**t.
It's a bit like people moving to the countryside and complaining about the noise the cows make. Tough s**t.
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The trouble is that the NIMBYs (Not in my back yard) are very well organised. Just two or three individuals can generate hundreds of noise complaints. This has convinced some MPs that they can win votes by airline bashing. These guys are threatening our livelihood. We MUST fight them.
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These people make me SO MAD! If they don't like to sound of aircraft taking off/landing then why, WHY, did they buy a house right next to an Airport. ARE THEY THICK? Surely they must have noticed that 747 gliding onto finals at LHR and the almost continuous precesion of 737s and 145s at MAN while they were viewing the house. If they don't want to listen to the sound of aircraft all day then they should move to Sheffield! 
They obviously don't realise the damage they are doing to an industry already in deep trouble.
They obviously don't realise the damage they are doing to an industry already in deep trouble.
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These guys simply don't care what danmage they do, or even if we all lose our jobs.
Cologne-Bonn airport was effectively closed as a freight hub by the noise l;obby costing thousands of jobs. I see you're from Manchester. Have you had your survey from MP George Osborne? Some of his proposals would hit hard -especially a ban on night flights which would severely limit the airport as a charter airline base
Cologne-Bonn airport was effectively closed as a freight hub by the noise l;obby costing thousands of jobs. I see you're from Manchester. Have you had your survey from MP George Osborne? Some of his proposals would hit hard -especially a ban on night flights which would severely limit the airport as a charter airline base
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The situation is worse in Munich, try to fly left or right of the track to avoid the wake turbulence of the 757(of course German airline) that was cleared for take off as soon as it reached the holding point, and you get reported.So next time fly in the wake dont avoid,DONT TURN you are going to wake-up at7pm some civilians!!Did you hear the latest??Greenpeace is protesting for the trees that Swissair flight crashed in!!! <img src="confused.gif" border="0">
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I live under one of the flight paths for LBA. I realise we don't get the really big aircraft - Concorde no longer visits, but I can never understand what the problem is. As has been previously stated the airports have been there a long time and are not tiny little things easily hidden from view when trying to sell ones house to an unsuspecting customer. Now, before anyone tells me that I should try LHR for noise I would just like to say that earlier in the year I took my caravan down to London, specifically the Crystal Palace site. This site is right next to the transmitter and on the flightpath. I watched many aicraft turning over the transmitter low enough for me to be able to see the company logos. I fully expected to be woken by the 0530 flights from Oz and other such places (caravans are not known for their excellent sound insulation) but was not even mildly disturbed. There was far more noise from the local traffic! I feel much of the criticism is unjust and that aircraft are just being used as scapegoats for those who realise they made a bad choice (for them) of housing.
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What annoys me about these noise whiners is that it is ONLY aviation that they have picked as a soft target. If you live near an airport there will be an aircraft noise hotline in the phone book. What about a rail or road noise hotline?
If anyone wants to write to their MP the address is House of Commons, London, SW1A 0AA
If anyone wants to write to their MP the address is House of Commons, London, SW1A 0AA
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I tried to post this earlier but just as I pressed "send" I got a screen saying that the moderaters had all cleared off to the pub AGAIN!!! The did that last night as well. So who is keeping an eye on them? Anyway, to return to the task before they clear off again. MPs are also contactable by email via the House of Commons website : http:www.parliament.uk/commons/hsecom.htm It will make a change for them to get email from the "Pro-aircraft" lobby. They are listed by surname not constituency.
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And don't forget, people who are deemed to live within the noise sensitive area of some major airports get free double glazing and sound proofing!!!
Some of the noise lobby members are certainly trying to get their houses done up on the cheap by getting the proscribed areas enlarged. <img src="mad.gif" border="0">
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Some of the noise lobby members are certainly trying to get their houses done up on the cheap by getting the proscribed areas enlarged. <img src="mad.gif" border="0">
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I am not justifying the noise lobby, but ....
over Crystal Palace, airliners are at idle thrust, descending through about 4500 feet. Not quite the same as approach thrust in the last four or five miles.
The Boeing website had very useful information on the environmental impact - <a href="http://www.boeing.com/commercial/value/quieter.html" target="_blank">here</a> is a link of interest, hopefully, although there were a series of leaflets they once produced which were excellent resources.
over Crystal Palace, airliners are at idle thrust, descending through about 4500 feet. Not quite the same as approach thrust in the last four or five miles.
The Boeing website had very useful information on the environmental impact - <a href="http://www.boeing.com/commercial/value/quieter.html" target="_blank">here</a> is a link of interest, hopefully, although there were a series of leaflets they once produced which were excellent resources.
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I’ve got an idea. Why don’t we get the local council’s to slap a compulsory purchase order on all the local residential buildings around the airports? (Those that are particularly noisy of course)… because they are so affected by noise, they would only be worth about £50 each. Then we could bulldoze all the really crappy ones and then sell the nice ones to aviation workers for about £1000. (A very handsome profit)
We could even convert the larger buildings to cheap accommodation for crews etc, who are too tired to drive home.
The displaced whingers we could relocate to some nice cheap inner city council accommodation, then they could all compare notes about the noise from their neighbour’s and the traffic.
I think I feel a letter to my MP coming on.
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We could even convert the larger buildings to cheap accommodation for crews etc, who are too tired to drive home.
The displaced whingers we could relocate to some nice cheap inner city council accommodation, then they could all compare notes about the noise from their neighbour’s and the traffic.
I think I feel a letter to my MP coming on.
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If it helps, here is George Osborne’s website.
[url]http://www.conservatives.com/PersonShow.cfm?PersonID=4586[url]
I have been in contact with him over his misconceived views on aviation and track keeping on departure at Manchester.
He tells me that some of the pilots in his Tatton (Knutsford)Constituency say that pilots don’t keep to the SID’s.
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[url]http://www.conservatives.com/PersonShow.cfm?PersonID=4586[url]
I have been in contact with him over his misconceived views on aviation and track keeping on departure at Manchester.
He tells me that some of the pilots in his Tatton (Knutsford)Constituency say that pilots don’t keep to the SID’s.
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Pilots dobbing in other pilots over a noise argument, that's peer intervention taken to the limit! <img src="eek.gif" border="0">
Do these Victor Meldrew types ever fly abroad on their "Bucket(bouquet <img src="wink.gif" border="0"> ) Tours Ltd." holiday? Grow up, airports are a fact of modern life, live with it or move away. <img src="mad.gif" border="0">
Do these Victor Meldrew types ever fly abroad on their "Bucket(bouquet <img src="wink.gif" border="0"> ) Tours Ltd." holiday? Grow up, airports are a fact of modern life, live with it or move away. <img src="mad.gif" border="0">
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Here in Atlanta we have a radio talk show host (Neil Boortz)(also a holder of a PPL), who regularly rants about a group of "anti-airport activists" around his home field (PDK), called the "PDK Watch."
Here's a link where he discusses them:
<a href="http://www.boortz.com/Boortzbits.htm#PDKWatch" target="_blank">Link to Boortz.com</a>
What I call classic NIMBYism.
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Here's a link where he discusses them:
<a href="http://www.boortz.com/Boortzbits.htm#PDKWatch" target="_blank">Link to Boortz.com</a>
What I call classic NIMBYism.
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Yes these Meldrew types DO fly -but they still complain -even in one published case filing a complaint about the very aircraft they have travelled on themselves.
Two years ago noise complaints jumped dramatically at Manchester -shock horror in all the local papers... even when it was later revealed that over 1000 complaints came from just THREE individuals.
Two years ago noise complaints jumped dramatically at Manchester -shock horror in all the local papers... even when it was later revealed that over 1000 complaints came from just THREE individuals.