Noise Lobby -Airline Bashing
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What all the fuss is about, Mutt, is that some of us could lose our jobs over this.
Night flights may not be vital to some scheduled airlines but charter airlines have to fly their aircraft round the clock to compete. aside from that, some long haul flights become untenable and in the event of any delay or diversion, a ban on night flights can make recovering the schedule next to impossible.
Night flights may not be vital to some scheduled airlines but charter airlines have to fly their aircraft round the clock to compete. aside from that, some long haul flights become untenable and in the event of any delay or diversion, a ban on night flights can make recovering the schedule next to impossible.
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There is a battle going on which the noise lobbyists, are winning. You only have to look at some of the major European airports to see this. For example the EPNdB level set by BRU for night operations is totally unrealistic, I understand that this will actually end up in a court action lead by DHL. Then we have CDG, they have set a nighttime noise level up to 8 Decibels lower than stage 3 with a diminishing quota of aircraft allowed to operate above this level.
In the UK you presently have nighttime quotas for LHR that were recently contested in the European courts and ruled to be an infringement on civil liberties. LHR also has policies of alternating runways, supplying double-glazing and constant descent approaches, all of which are intended to reduce noise pollution.
Now you have a politician who is complaining about Manchester and the only objections offered on this board relate to losing airline jobs and cheap holidays, is this enough? Why has no one actually stated what types of items move through airports at night, how much of the local infrastructure relies on getting airfreight, mail, newspapers, bank checks etc etc.
You have got to let this guy know just how much of an economic impact his planned actions are going to have!
Mutt <img src="smile.gif" border="0">
In the UK you presently have nighttime quotas for LHR that were recently contested in the European courts and ruled to be an infringement on civil liberties. LHR also has policies of alternating runways, supplying double-glazing and constant descent approaches, all of which are intended to reduce noise pollution.
Now you have a politician who is complaining about Manchester and the only objections offered on this board relate to losing airline jobs and cheap holidays, is this enough? Why has no one actually stated what types of items move through airports at night, how much of the local infrastructure relies on getting airfreight, mail, newspapers, bank checks etc etc.
You have got to let this guy know just how much of an economic impact his planned actions are going to have!
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But where do these NIMBYs go for their hols? Do they walk there?
Can they, in fact, walk on water? If so, then this could be the greatest threat that the industry has faced in it's entire existence!
Seriously, there's no getting away from the equation "mass transport = noise". <img src="cool.gif" border="0">
Can they, in fact, walk on water? If so, then this could be the greatest threat that the industry has faced in it's entire existence!
Seriously, there's no getting away from the equation "mass transport = noise". <img src="cool.gif" border="0">
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I think all those who campaigned to say they deserve a decent nights sleep are correct! <img src="wink.gif" border="0">
Surely we all deserve that right. In that case...shouldn't those folks who live near motorways, railways should also campaign for these to be closed at night?
We wouldnt have any mail in the mornings, newspapers etc. Roads would become more congested as they would only be able to be used during the day.
Also emergency personel,those from Gas companies, electric companies who work throughout the night would also be able enjoy a decent nights sleep! We would have no police, emergency cover, no electricity or gas at night, yet still, at least we would ALL get a decent nights sleep! <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0"> <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">
Surely we all deserve that right. In that case...shouldn't those folks who live near motorways, railways should also campaign for these to be closed at night?
We wouldnt have any mail in the mornings, newspapers etc. Roads would become more congested as they would only be able to be used during the day.
Also emergency personel,those from Gas companies, electric companies who work throughout the night would also be able enjoy a decent nights sleep! We would have no police, emergency cover, no electricity or gas at night, yet still, at least we would ALL get a decent nights sleep! <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0"> <img src="rolleyes.gif" border="0">
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Fact remains that NIMBYs chose to move into a house near an airport. In most cases, the airport was there way before they moved in. And the housing os no doubt cheaper as a result.
Anyway, with the possible exception of the rapid pointy thing, which flies infrequently anyway, planes are much quieter these days. Hell, I've got wheel marks in the roof from Tornado's buzzing Hexham, but I would never complain about them. NIMBYs are tossers. 'Nuff said.
Anyway, with the possible exception of the rapid pointy thing, which flies infrequently anyway, planes are much quieter these days. Hell, I've got wheel marks in the roof from Tornado's buzzing Hexham, but I would never complain about them. NIMBYs are tossers. 'Nuff said.
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These people just don't care about anybody else but themselves. So long as they can get a good nights sleep thats all they are bothered about. It dosen't matter to them that pilots, cabin crew, ops staff, dispatchers, loaders, catering staff, fuelers, engineers, Passenger handling staff, cargo agents etc etc could all lose their jobs and unfortunately we have politicans who are stupid enough to jump on the band wagon and give these people a public voice.
I just wonder if they will have the nerve to complain when they are unable to fly off to malaga at 0600 because the airport is closed due to them. (They should be made to wear NIMBY badges so checkin staff can send them to Malaga and their bags to Islamabad
)I can just imagine the announcement on a flight that is off schedule and misses the night time curfew.
"ladies and gentlemen, we are sorry to inform you that we have to divert to the middle of nowhere due to Mr Williams at No.32 style road being in bed. We apologise for any inconvenience"
As I've said before, these people make me soooo mad <img src="mad.gif" border="0">
I just wonder if they will have the nerve to complain when they are unable to fly off to malaga at 0600 because the airport is closed due to them. (They should be made to wear NIMBY badges so checkin staff can send them to Malaga and their bags to Islamabad
)I can just imagine the announcement on a flight that is off schedule and misses the night time curfew."ladies and gentlemen, we are sorry to inform you that we have to divert to the middle of nowhere due to Mr Williams at No.32 style road being in bed. We apologise for any inconvenience"
As I've said before, these people make me soooo mad <img src="mad.gif" border="0">
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But why is there no pressure for quieter trains or heavy goods vehicles or noise absorbent road surfaces? For most of the population, surface transport causes far more disturbance than air travel does. Aircraft are MUCH quieter than they were 20 years ago.
Some of the protesters are simply out to make an easy buck. The trouble is that our industry is a soft target.
Some of the protesters are simply out to make an easy buck. The trouble is that our industry is a soft target.
