View Poll Results: Was the pilot of this display acting dangerously?
I AM a professional pilot and I believe YES
1,571
46.22%
I AM a professional pilot and I believe NO
360
10.59%
I AM NOT a professional pilot and I believe YES
1,024
30.13%
I Am NOT a professional pilot and I believe NO
311
9.15%
I have no opinion
133
3.91%
Voters: 3399. This poll is closed
Video footage of TAP A310 in extreme low flying turn at airshow
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One can judge the wingtip clearence from the cockpit, that's probably why he didn't hit the ground, but one can easily be mistaken...
I realy thing he had a bad performance, to do that manouver he should have pulled before he rolled, and then bleed off some energy during the roll, that's the beautiful and safe way to do it. But he had no excess of energy, rolled first and was hanging on the engines during the turn. It wasn't beautiful, and it was dangerous, and I don't believe it went as trained in the sim. It's a pitty, he is capable of a better display, I don't know what got into him.
Since this is a site for rumors:
The acft was called in by maintenance for a rudder inspection, as result of the dutch roll in another of the low passes, as it as suffered abrupt rudder deflections. This story still has a lot to be told...
One can judge the wingtip clearence from the cockpit, that's probably why he didn't hit the ground, but one can easily be mistaken...
I realy thing he had a bad performance, to do that manouver he should have pulled before he rolled, and then bleed off some energy during the roll, that's the beautiful and safe way to do it. But he had no excess of energy, rolled first and was hanging on the engines during the turn. It wasn't beautiful, and it was dangerous, and I don't believe it went as trained in the sim. It's a pitty, he is capable of a better display, I don't know what got into him.
Since this is a site for rumors:
The acft was called in by maintenance for a rudder inspection, as result of the dutch roll in another of the low passes, as it as suffered abrupt rudder deflections. This story still has a lot to be told...
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There's another bit of footage where the a/c is seen yawing noticeably.
This can have to do with the need for rudder inspection as mentioned above.
In your opinion, even this manouver was unsafe or not to perform ?
This can have to do with the need for rudder inspection as mentioned above.
In your opinion, even this manouver was unsafe or not to perform ?
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It is clear that there was no safety margin in the maneuver, specially for an airline pilot that normally operates within the company's SOP.
But if you want to see a really fly by, check the last guy on this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJGVXpunZ_4
Pira
But if you want to see a really fly by, check the last guy on this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJGVXpunZ_4
Pira
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It is clear that there was no safety margin in the maneuver, specially for an airline pilot that normally operates within the company's SOP.
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I'd like to think that that manouver was unintentional and clumsy. Flying uncoordinated near the ground poses risks in every airplane, but those risks are unacceptable in a high momentum aircraft.
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This is getting a bit boring. I wonder how this thread would have developed if instead of the original title of "near disaster", it would have been named "great flying display by A320 at airshow"? Lemmings?
It was safe!
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The thing that struck me was the lines of aeroplanes alongside the runway - one slip to the right for anyone departing from that runway and you have a 40 aeroplane pile up!
See here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYfhC9ft_hk
See here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYfhC9ft_hk
It was safe!
Only to say that Portuguese pilots are the BEST!!!
Only to say that Portuguese pilots are the BEST!!!
Never mind the fact that you have posted only ONCE in your entire life! You must be an expert.
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There must be someone able to tell what the rules were at this airshow.
How low were airplanes allowed to go?
Come on, Portugese aviators, some of you guys were there at Evora. What were the rules? Tell us, because this information blackout is harming the Portugese aviation community.
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Hmmm, that really does look way too low. Is there any WIGE (Wing In Ground Effect) "helping" to keep this manouevre margainally less lunatic than it looks. Not that WIGE is going to help much if he over reacts with the controls!
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Plowing up the tarmac with the wing tip, taking out 40 light aircraft with a slip to the right, etc. How many more hypothetic IFs are forth coming? IF frogs had wings they wouldn't bump their ass!
Think Chuck said it all.
The maneuver itself is not dangerous if you know what you're doing. But the pilots are pushing the limits and it takes less and less "unexpected" to cause a crash. And next time some other pilot will try better... that's the danger.
It's more difficult to say "stop" when reaching the limits, then to continue to prove something can be done on that tiny edge. The first type of guys are pilots, the latter are cowboys. These pilots are cowboys cause they like to proove they can work on the edge. Why turn so low?
We're all pilots, I'm sure 90% of us would be able to fly like this. Unfortunately some would like to show it to the public to...
The maneuver itself is not dangerous if you know what you're doing. But the pilots are pushing the limits and it takes less and less "unexpected" to cause a crash. And next time some other pilot will try better... that's the danger.
It's more difficult to say "stop" when reaching the limits, then to continue to prove something can be done on that tiny edge. The first type of guys are pilots, the latter are cowboys. These pilots are cowboys cause they like to proove they can work on the edge. Why turn so low?
We're all pilots, I'm sure 90% of us would be able to fly like this. Unfortunately some would like to show it to the public to...
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The poll is now closed. In summary, out of 2,291 professional pilots who expressed an opinion, 81.4% believed that the pilot was acting dangerously and 18.6% didn't.
Out of the remaining 1,335 people who had an opinion, 76.7% thought the pilot was acting dangerously and 23.3% didn't.
Besides the vigourous debate going on, the poll shows that overall, most people believed that the pilot was acting dangerously. Whilst not a scientific poll, it does give an idea as to how the majority of people felt watching the display.
No doubt TAP hierarchy and shareholders will be making their views felt within the company. Hopefully, lessons will be learnt and the pedants on the thread can feel satisfied that they aired their views.
Out of the remaining 1,335 people who had an opinion, 76.7% thought the pilot was acting dangerously and 23.3% didn't.
Besides the vigourous debate going on, the poll shows that overall, most people believed that the pilot was acting dangerously. Whilst not a scientific poll, it does give an idea as to how the majority of people felt watching the display.
No doubt TAP hierarchy and shareholders will be making their views felt within the company. Hopefully, lessons will be learnt and the pedants on the thread can feel satisfied that they aired their views.
In summary, out of 2,291 professional pilots who expressed an opinion, 81.4% believed that the pilot was acting dangerously and 18.6% didn't.
How can you be so sure that among those 2291 Professional Pilots they are indeed Professional pilots and not any single Aviation Amateur, a Typical Net Foruns Surfer or any also other kind of Simulator "Crazy" Kid, behind the common mask of Internet/PC Chair...!!????
For sure at least 2290 were Prof. Pilots, cause one of them its my Lovely 12 Years Old Niece who joined this Board stating in her profile that she is a 744 Captain...
But we are positively sure that all the others are not lying....aren't we..??
Kisses to Everyone here...
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From a statistical point of view, there's very little difference between the self-described "Professional Pilots" - 81.4%/18.6% - and the "non pilots" - 76.7%/23.3% - which would tend to suggest that even if a significant number of the self-described professionals are not, they would not greatly skew the results.
For example, suppose that of the 1931 "professionals", half are really not. Based on the "honest" non-professionals, that 1931/2=965 people should have split 0.767/0.233, or 740 "unsafe" and 225 "safe". Eliminating those from the sample on that basis gives:
"real professionals": 831 "unsafe" and 135 "safe" - a 86%/14% split.
In fact, as you can see, the more "fake professionals" you assume, the worse the resulting opinions of professionals ends up being....
For example, suppose that of the 1931 "professionals", half are really not. Based on the "honest" non-professionals, that 1931/2=965 people should have split 0.767/0.233, or 740 "unsafe" and 225 "safe". Eliminating those from the sample on that basis gives:
"real professionals": 831 "unsafe" and 135 "safe" - a 86%/14% split.
In fact, as you can see, the more "fake professionals" you assume, the worse the resulting opinions of professionals ends up being....
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Besides, does it really matter if they are pretend pilots like your niece, or real ones? 75-80% of the people who voted in the poll think its dangerous, whether they are pilots or burger flppers. The stats have spoken.
My Friends....I still respect all your critics and points of view as long as they are not offensive, wich fortunately its not the case....
But what i cannot tolerate at all its the fact that i got banned without using any bad or offensive words at all, and all who called this Crew such Offensive words as CRIMINAL, CLOWN or IDIOT are still here, AFAIK...
And No, Mike, im not Married..
But what i cannot tolerate at all its the fact that i got banned without using any bad or offensive words at all, and all who called this Crew such Offensive words as CRIMINAL, CLOWN or IDIOT are still here, AFAIK...
And No, Mike, im not Married..
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On the matter of poll votes coming from Pilots or pretending trolls: perhaps one useful improvement to pprune, that would also set the tone of many threads, is to reflect tis status under nickname after one is verified (don't ask me how).
Can I beg to ask again: is also the tailswagging considered dangerous ?
Can I beg to ask again: is also the tailswagging considered dangerous ?