easyJet depressurisation 4/7/07
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: UK
Age: 50
Posts: 47
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Absolutely. The briefing says something along the lines of "if the oxygen masks drop from the ceiling, pull one over your face and breathe normally". They don't mention that, due to decompression being likely cause of the masks dropping, that the pilots will carry out an emergency decent!
I'm sure I would realise what was happening, although I can't be sure I wouldn't feel a bit of panic first. But MOST of the passengers probably did think they were heading south to meet their maker!
I wonder how well the crew explained their actions and reassured the passengers once a safe altitude was reached?
And, just out of interest, does anybody know what percentage of flights experience an uncontrolled decompression?
I'm sure I would realise what was happening, although I can't be sure I wouldn't feel a bit of panic first. But MOST of the passengers probably did think they were heading south to meet their maker!
I wonder how well the crew explained their actions and reassured the passengers once a safe altitude was reached?
And, just out of interest, does anybody know what percentage of flights experience an uncontrolled decompression?
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: uk
Posts: 1,266
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Some have mentioned giving information to the passengers (or not) in the early stages of the procedure; two points:
1) flight crew are exceptionally busy and quite frankly, have better things to do. Which is better, scared and alive or reassured but very soon dead? Of course all professional pilots take their responsibility of care to passengers seriously but that's not always a priority.
2) Has anyone tried given a real pax PA through a flight deck oxygen mask? How intelligible and reassuring do you think that would be?
1) flight crew are exceptionally busy and quite frankly, have better things to do. Which is better, scared and alive or reassured but very soon dead? Of course all professional pilots take their responsibility of care to passengers seriously but that's not always a priority.
2) Has anyone tried given a real pax PA through a flight deck oxygen mask? How intelligible and reassuring do you think that would be?
Last edited by Gary Lager; 9th Jul 2007 at 18:40.
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Bristol
Posts: 8
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I love pprune, not only did the original report make me laugh but the comments here have me in stitches!!! Keep em' coming, pprune gets better and better shame journalism doesn't, but bad journalism= more laughs so who cares?!
From the story:
"My girlfriend had heard a noise as if a drill wasn't connecting and a screw was loose coming from under the wing"
The noise is actually quite normal on the Airbus and was nothing to do with the emergency. I left a comment to this effect on the Mail's website but needless to say it didn't get included. Never let facts get in the way of a good story!
"My girlfriend had heard a noise as if a drill wasn't connecting and a screw was loose coming from under the wing"
The noise is actually quite normal on the Airbus and was nothing to do with the emergency. I left a comment to this effect on the Mail's website but needless to say it didn't get included. Never let facts get in the way of a good story!
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: EGGD
Age: 43
Posts: 2
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
"My girlfriend had heard a noise as if a drill wasn't connecting and a screw was loose coming from under the wing"
i laughed when i read this. what does a screw coming loose sound like? for god's sake!!!!
i laughed when i read this. what does a screw coming loose sound like? for god's sake!!!!
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: UK
Age: 78
Posts: 116
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I was on an aircraft the other day when just after coming on to stand, both engines failed one after the other. the aircrraft along side had the same problem too. is that weird or just coincidence
ex-Tanker
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Luton Beds UK
Posts: 907
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Cause of the problem
Thanks for that Out of Sync.
Always good to learn the cause of these things.
Are you able to elaborate on here - failure both sides (MEL?) - rough time till mask deployment - switching etc.?
FC.
Always good to learn the cause of these things.
Are you able to elaborate on here - failure both sides (MEL?) - rough time till mask deployment - switching etc.?
FC.
Me Too !
Phew, thought it was just my bad luck but glad you guys seem to have the same problem too, when the engines stopped all my pax departed rapidly out of the exit in sheer terror & made a manic dash for the terminal, only minutes earlier we had been descending on the glideslope, whatever next,
how dangerous is that !! All in days life for us heroic 'fearless' chaps & chapesses's (how many s's ?)
have fun folks
how dangerous is that !! All in days life for us heroic 'fearless' chaps & chapesses's (how many s's ?)
have fun folks
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Somewhere between Cape Reinga and Invercargill
Posts: 71
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
The scary thing is that there are three pages of frothing at the mouth about how bad the journalism is, and this is the same with every tabloid article that comes to the attention of Ppruners. The scoop does its job and you all read it
Regrettably therefore, I can only conclude that this kind of journalism does sell papers, or hits on websites in this digital age, even to hardened cynics..
I reckon we should steadfastly ignore this type of article..
Cheers
James
Regrettably therefore, I can only conclude that this kind of journalism does sell papers, or hits on websites in this digital age, even to hardened cynics..
I reckon we should steadfastly ignore this type of article..
Cheers
James
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Ireland
Posts: 53
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
How quick is the descent??
Very humble SLF here...
My question is how rapid?steep is the emergency descent that ensues in an incident such as this? Is it noticeably out of the ordinary? Would it feel 'uncontrolled' to the average punter?
JBS
My question is how rapid?steep is the emergency descent that ensues in an incident such as this? Is it noticeably out of the ordinary? Would it feel 'uncontrolled' to the average punter?
JBS
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Newcastle, UK
Posts: 82
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
"An elderly woman was treated for an injury after tripping while leaving the plane"
They didn't even comment on the apparent increase in drug abuse by the elderly.....
They didn't even comment on the apparent increase in drug abuse by the elderly.....
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: uk
Posts: 1,266
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
My question is how rapid?steep is the emergency descent that ensues in an incident such as this? Is it noticeably out of the ordinary? Would it feel 'uncontrolled' to the average punter?
It may seem unusual to a regular traveller, but the aeroplane still stays right side up, and you have no perception of forward speed down the back so unlikely that it would feel 'uncontrolled', unless you happened to be asked leading questions by a Daily Mail reporter some hours after the event
.
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: uk
Posts: 1,266
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I wouldn't really describe it as a 'normal' procedure - it's a specific manoeuvre, trained for and employed in certain circumstances.
It would be great if we knew that all pax had the level of interest and understanding of those who bother to seek out PPRuNe, however in reality this is not the case. Combine the difficulties and low priority of pax communication in a non-normal situation with the difficulty of explaining such events with clarity, brevity and honesty, whilst not alarming less aero-literate passengers, and you can see the problem.
My airline has a automatic PA announcement which comes on when the masks drop and explains what is happening and what to do - if passengers miss this as well as failing to listen to the pre-takeoff safety brief then I am afraid that no amount of PAs from the flight deck are likely to help.
It would be great if we knew that all pax had the level of interest and understanding of those who bother to seek out PPRuNe, however in reality this is not the case. Combine the difficulties and low priority of pax communication in a non-normal situation with the difficulty of explaining such events with clarity, brevity and honesty, whilst not alarming less aero-literate passengers, and you can see the problem.
My airline has a automatic PA announcement which comes on when the masks drop and explains what is happening and what to do - if passengers miss this as well as failing to listen to the pre-takeoff safety brief then I am afraid that no amount of PAs from the flight deck are likely to help.
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Hunched over a keyboard
Posts: 1,193
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Maybe the moronic journo who created this c.r.a.p has a screw loose and hears noises ----- "the voices told me to write rubbish!"
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Hunched over a keyboard
Posts: 1,193
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
"AIRCRAFT GEAR COLLAPSES ONLY 200FT ABOVE GROUND!!" Yesterday our aircraft landing gear collapsed into the gear bay after I moved the gear lever following take off. We were only 200ft above the ground. Do you think we will make the papers??
AND it only came back down again 4 miles before we landed!!
AND it only came back down again 4 miles before we landed!!
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: LGW
Age: 51
Posts: 539
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
The easyJet aircraft involved in this would have played an automatic PA when the masks deployed, but if the passengers were screaming they probably didn't hear it, or just didn't pay attention to it.
And don't you just love the way the person in this picture travelling with the child took a photo. Personally I would have been more concerned about making sure my family were ok, taking a photo (to sell on to the media) would have been the last thing on my mind.
And don't you just love the way the person in this picture travelling with the child took a photo. Personally I would have been more concerned about making sure my family were ok, taking a photo (to sell on to the media) would have been the last thing on my mind.
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Kent
Posts: 65
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
well handled
a well handled event right up to the point one of the two trainers threw the wrong switch deploying the Rat and not the Pax oxygen.....oh well any one can make a mistake!