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easyJet depressurisation 4/7/07

Old 8th Jul 2007, 23:46
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Absolutely. The briefing says something along the lines of "if the oxygen masks drop from the ceiling, pull one over your face and breathe normally". They don't mention that, due to decompression being likely cause of the masks dropping, that the pilots will carry out an emergency decent!

I'm sure I would realise what was happening, although I can't be sure I wouldn't feel a bit of panic first. But MOST of the passengers probably did think they were heading south to meet their maker!

I wonder how well the crew explained their actions and reassured the passengers once a safe altitude was reached?

And, just out of interest, does anybody know what percentage of flights experience an uncontrolled decompression?
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Old 9th Jul 2007, 19:22
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Some have mentioned giving information to the passengers (or not) in the early stages of the procedure; two points:

1) flight crew are exceptionally busy and quite frankly, have better things to do. Which is better, scared and alive or reassured but very soon dead? Of course all professional pilots take their responsibility of care to passengers seriously but that's not always a priority.

2) Has anyone tried given a real pax PA through a flight deck oxygen mask? How intelligible and reassuring do you think that would be?

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Old 10th Jul 2007, 01:40
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I love pprune, not only did the original report make me laugh but the comments here have me in stitches!!! Keep em' coming, pprune gets better and better shame journalism doesn't, but bad journalism= more laughs so who cares?!
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Old 10th Jul 2007, 09:27
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From the story:
"My girlfriend had heard a noise as if a drill wasn't connecting and a screw was loose coming from under the wing"
The noise is actually quite normal on the Airbus and was nothing to do with the emergency. I left a comment to this effect on the Mail's website but needless to say it didn't get included. Never let facts get in the way of a good story!
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"My girlfriend had heard a noise as if a drill wasn't connecting and a screw was loose coming from under the wing"

i laughed when i read this. what does a screw coming loose sound like? for god's sake!!!!
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Old 10th Jul 2007, 12:44
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I was on an aircraft the other day when just after coming on to stand, both engines failed one after the other. the aircrraft along side had the same problem too. is that weird or just coincidence
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No mate.Stay with the evening standard. Honestly,you will make more money,and serve the public good by promulgating the facts.(Trust me, I'm a pilot!)
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Old 11th Jul 2007, 08:02
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Cause of the problem

Thanks for that Out of Sync.
Always good to learn the cause of these things.
Are you able to elaborate on here - failure both sides (MEL?) - rough time till mask deployment - switching etc.?
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Old 11th Jul 2007, 21:56
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Talking Me Too !

Phew, thought it was just my bad luck but glad you guys seem to have the same problem too, when the engines stopped all my pax departed rapidly out of the exit in sheer terror & made a manic dash for the terminal, only minutes earlier we had been descending on the glideslope, whatever next,
how dangerous is that !! All in days life for us heroic 'fearless' chaps & chapesses's (how many s's ?)

have fun folks
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The scary thing is that there are three pages of frothing at the mouth about how bad the journalism is, and this is the same with every tabloid article that comes to the attention of Ppruners. The scoop does its job and you all read it
Regrettably therefore, I can only conclude that this kind of journalism does sell papers, or hits on websites in this digital age, even to hardened cynics..
I reckon we should steadfastly ignore this type of article..
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Old 12th Jul 2007, 13:57
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How quick is the descent??

Very humble SLF here...

My question is how rapid?steep is the emergency descent that ensues in an incident such as this? Is it noticeably out of the ordinary? Would it feel 'uncontrolled' to the average punter?

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Old 12th Jul 2007, 21:19
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"An elderly woman was treated for an injury after tripping while leaving the plane"

They didn't even comment on the apparent increase in drug abuse by the elderly.....
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Old 13th Jul 2007, 09:37
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My question is how rapid?steep is the emergency descent that ensues in an incident such as this? Is it noticeably out of the ordinary? Would it feel 'uncontrolled' to the average punter?
An (example) 6000 ft per min rate of descent (not unreasonable during a rapid descent), combined with a high forward speed of (say) 420KTAS only gives a descent angle of 1 in 7. I'm sure there are hills in the UK that are steeper than that.

It may seem unusual to a regular traveller, but the aeroplane still stays right side up, and you have no perception of forward speed down the back so unlikely that it would feel 'uncontrolled', unless you happened to be asked leading questions by a Daily Mail reporter some hours after the event .
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Thanks Gary.

I echo a previous poster who said it might be useful if the pax were aware that the rapid descent is normal procedure!

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Old 13th Jul 2007, 11:29
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I wouldn't really describe it as a 'normal' procedure - it's a specific manoeuvre, trained for and employed in certain circumstances.

It would be great if we knew that all pax had the level of interest and understanding of those who bother to seek out PPRuNe, however in reality this is not the case. Combine the difficulties and low priority of pax communication in a non-normal situation with the difficulty of explaining such events with clarity, brevity and honesty, whilst not alarming less aero-literate passengers, and you can see the problem.

My airline has a automatic PA announcement which comes on when the masks drop and explains what is happening and what to do - if passengers miss this as well as failing to listen to the pre-takeoff safety brief then I am afraid that no amount of PAs from the flight deck are likely to help.
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"normal procedure"... in those circumstances!

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Old 13th Jul 2007, 17:39
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Originally Posted by cpart2
"My girlfriend had heard a noise as if a drill wasn't connecting and a screw was loose coming from under the wing"

i laughed when i read this. what does a screw coming loose sound like? for god's sake!!!!
I was wondering that myself!

Maybe the moronic journo who created this c.r.a.p has a screw loose and hears noises ----- "the voices told me to write rubbish!"
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Old 13th Jul 2007, 17:57
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Originally Posted by Delta Wun-Wun
"AIRCRAFT GEAR COLLAPSES ONLY 200FT ABOVE GROUND!!" Yesterday our aircraft landing gear collapsed into the gear bay after I moved the gear lever following take off. We were only 200ft above the ground. Do you think we will make the papers??
AND it only came back down again 4 miles before we landed!!
Heroic stuff - next time you're passing, can you pop in an record an interview that I can use to show my MCC students how it should be done?
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Old 13th Jul 2007, 19:18
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The easyJet aircraft involved in this would have played an automatic PA when the masks deployed, but if the passengers were screaming they probably didn't hear it, or just didn't pay attention to it.



And don't you just love the way the person in this picture travelling with the child took a photo. Personally I would have been more concerned about making sure my family were ok, taking a photo (to sell on to the media) would have been the last thing on my mind.
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Old 13th Jul 2007, 20:37
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well handled

a well handled event right up to the point one of the two trainers threw the wrong switch deploying the Rat and not the Pax oxygen.....oh well any one can make a mistake!
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