COUNTDOWN at CATHAY.
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null"So far there is no indication that Cathay plans to cancel flights in response to the pilots' industrial action"
I thought I saw yesterday that all scheduled flights from Heathrow and Manchester have been canclled for the first part of this week.
I thought I saw yesterday that all scheduled flights from Heathrow and Manchester have been canclled for the first part of this week.
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Latest headlines:
CX says new pay package include pay rises up to 9%
CX says new pay package takes takes effect immediately
CX says has decided to fire 49 pilots
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CX says new pay package include pay rises up to 9%
CX says new pay package takes takes effect immediately
CX says has decided to fire 49 pilots
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Newswatcher, you have been watching the wrong news!
Pilots' Pay Dispute
Information revised and current as of Monday, 9 July 2001
Cathay Pacific and its pilots' union are currently involved in a dispute over pay and benefits. Talks between the two sides have reached an impasse. The union began limited industrial action on 3 July.
Typhoon Utor passed close to Hong Kong on 5 and 6 July causing widespread disruption. Cathay Pacific operated extra flights afterwards to clear the backlog of passengers and restore services as fast as possible. However the plan was hampered because the pilots' union escalated their industrial action through an increase in reported sickness.
As part of its contingency plans, Cathay Pacific has chartered extra aircraft and arranged for other carriers to operate additional flights. On Saturday evening a decision was made to temporarily trim the schedule to enhance network reliability while the dispute continues.
The destinations that have been temporarily suspended are Adelaide, Colombo, Cairns, Delhi, Hanoi*, Karachi, Manchester, New York, Penang and Perth. The direct flights between Taiwan and Osaka and Taiwan and Nagoya have also been temporarily suspended. We will make every effort to contact passengers who are already booked on these flights and transfer them to other carriers.
* Passengers can still travel between Hong Kong and Hanoi on Cathay Pacific's codeshare flights CX790 / 791 / 792 / 793.
We sincerely apologise to our passengers for any inconvenience which they have suffered as a result of the AOA's industrial action. We hope to resolve this situation as soon as possible
Pilots' Pay Dispute
Information revised and current as of Monday, 9 July 2001
Cathay Pacific and its pilots' union are currently involved in a dispute over pay and benefits. Talks between the two sides have reached an impasse. The union began limited industrial action on 3 July.
Typhoon Utor passed close to Hong Kong on 5 and 6 July causing widespread disruption. Cathay Pacific operated extra flights afterwards to clear the backlog of passengers and restore services as fast as possible. However the plan was hampered because the pilots' union escalated their industrial action through an increase in reported sickness.
As part of its contingency plans, Cathay Pacific has chartered extra aircraft and arranged for other carriers to operate additional flights. On Saturday evening a decision was made to temporarily trim the schedule to enhance network reliability while the dispute continues.
The destinations that have been temporarily suspended are Adelaide, Colombo, Cairns, Delhi, Hanoi*, Karachi, Manchester, New York, Penang and Perth. The direct flights between Taiwan and Osaka and Taiwan and Nagoya have also been temporarily suspended. We will make every effort to contact passengers who are already booked on these flights and transfer them to other carriers.
* Passengers can still travel between Hong Kong and Hanoi on Cathay Pacific's codeshare flights CX790 / 791 / 792 / 793.
We sincerely apologise to our passengers for any inconvenience which they have suffered as a result of the AOA's industrial action. We hope to resolve this situation as soon as possible
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From Bloomberg:
Cathay Pacific Fires 49 Pilots, to Introduce New Pay Package
Hong Kong, July 9 (Bloomberg) -- Cathay Pacific Airways Ltd.
fired 49 pilots after a week of flight disruptions by union members and will introduce a new pay package to all pilots with immediate effect.
"We have identified those (pilots), we feel, cannot be relied upon to act in the best interest of the company in the future,'' said Tony Tyler, Cathay's director of corporate development at a press meeting. "We have essentially lost confidence in those employees who have been terminated.''
Cathay said 23 of the fired pilots are captains and 26 are first officers.
The new contracts include pay increases of as much as 9 percent, higher housing, maternity and education benefits and improvements in work scheduling practices.
"This package is not quite as generous as the proposal we made to the union leadership at the end of June,'' Tyler said.
"This is because, frankly, there is less money available as a result of the damage done to the company by the union's industrial action.''
Shares of Asia's fifth-biggest carrier fell for a third day as Cathay cancelled 39 of its 122 flights today. Pilots followed a union request to abide strictly by their contracts, including turning up no earlier than 80 minutes before takeoff.
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Cathay Pacific Fires 49 Pilots, to Introduce New Pay Package
Hong Kong, July 9 (Bloomberg) -- Cathay Pacific Airways Ltd.
fired 49 pilots after a week of flight disruptions by union members and will introduce a new pay package to all pilots with immediate effect.
"We have identified those (pilots), we feel, cannot be relied upon to act in the best interest of the company in the future,'' said Tony Tyler, Cathay's director of corporate development at a press meeting. "We have essentially lost confidence in those employees who have been terminated.''
Cathay said 23 of the fired pilots are captains and 26 are first officers.
The new contracts include pay increases of as much as 9 percent, higher housing, maternity and education benefits and improvements in work scheduling practices.
"This package is not quite as generous as the proposal we made to the union leadership at the end of June,'' Tyler said.
"This is because, frankly, there is less money available as a result of the damage done to the company by the union's industrial action.''
Shares of Asia's fifth-biggest carrier fell for a third day as Cathay cancelled 39 of its 122 flights today. Pilots followed a union request to abide strictly by their contracts, including turning up no earlier than 80 minutes before takeoff.
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Hi Hotdog, the italics were from Drop and Stop's earlier message, from "South China Morning Post". Heathrow appeared in another list over the weekend, now amended!
From today's SCMP - "The Government has no plans to impose a cooling-off period in the Cathay Pacific industrial dispute at this stage, Executive Councillor Tam Yiu-chung said yesterday.
"It[The current situation] is not bad enough to warrant the imposition of a cooling-off period," said Mr Tam, who is also a Democratic Alliance for the Betterment of Hong Kong legislator. "The Government rarely imposes such cooling-off periods to resolve industrial disputes," he said.
Under the Labour Relations Ordinance, the Chief Executive and Executive Council can order a cooling-off period if the industrial action causes an interruption to the supply of goods and provision of services which might be "gravely injurious to the economy" or "seriously affect the livelihood of a substantial number of persons".
Mr Tam hoped the Labour Department could arrange for Cathay Pacific management and pilots to return to negotiations. He warned that both sides would suffer if the row continued.
Meanwhile, chairwoman of the Hong Kong Tourism Board Selina Chow Liang Shuk-yee told RTHK's City Forum the incident was a commercial dispute in which the Government should not get involved.
She said it was hard to estimate the loss to the tourism industry but said the damage to Hong Kong would be great if the situation continued."
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From today's SCMP - "The Government has no plans to impose a cooling-off period in the Cathay Pacific industrial dispute at this stage, Executive Councillor Tam Yiu-chung said yesterday.
"It[The current situation] is not bad enough to warrant the imposition of a cooling-off period," said Mr Tam, who is also a Democratic Alliance for the Betterment of Hong Kong legislator. "The Government rarely imposes such cooling-off periods to resolve industrial disputes," he said.
Under the Labour Relations Ordinance, the Chief Executive and Executive Council can order a cooling-off period if the industrial action causes an interruption to the supply of goods and provision of services which might be "gravely injurious to the economy" or "seriously affect the livelihood of a substantial number of persons".
Mr Tam hoped the Labour Department could arrange for Cathay Pacific management and pilots to return to negotiations. He warned that both sides would suffer if the row continued.
Meanwhile, chairwoman of the Hong Kong Tourism Board Selina Chow Liang Shuk-yee told RTHK's City Forum the incident was a commercial dispute in which the Government should not get involved.
She said it was hard to estimate the loss to the tourism industry but said the damage to Hong Kong would be great if the situation continued."
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SCMP Monday Public Opinion Poll
Should Cathay Pacific's management agree to its pilots' demands?
Answer Result Per cent
1. Yes. Anything to avert flight chaos 57.2%
2. Should give way on pay, but not rosters 12.6%
3. Should give way on rosters, but not pay 13.4%
4. Not at all 16.8%
Should Cathay Pacific's management agree to its pilots' demands?
Answer Result Per cent
1. Yes. Anything to avert flight chaos 57.2%
2. Should give way on pay, but not rosters 12.6%
3. Should give way on rosters, but not pay 13.4%
4. Not at all 16.8%
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3rdgenTopGun just wait until you work your way up and get a real job that gives you a lifestyle commensurate with your responsibilities and earning potential and then see it eroded by petty managers who have no real idea about industrial relations and want to make a name for themselves. Also, when you have found your life becoming increasingly disrupted through inefficient rostering and constant jet lag then you may begin to have some tiny idea of what is at stake here.
Until then why not take your whingeing and moaning and shove it up the 'outback'. If you want to join the big boys then at least get your facts right. You are either a cx management wind-up merchant or a 'kin spotty faced wannabe student Ozmate pilot with a chip on his shoulder!
Until then why not take your whingeing and moaning and shove it up the 'outback'. If you want to join the big boys then at least get your facts right. You are either a cx management wind-up merchant or a 'kin spotty faced wannabe student Ozmate pilot with a chip on his shoulder!
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It's all relevent to where you're at, you see, cos there are people out there who think your salary is obscene, as much as you think CX's may be.
I don't work for CX but I think it's about, amongst other things, the fact that they pulled the reins in when times were hard, and they would like to see their fair share of the loot they helped the company make over and above that required to get through the hard times.
Have I over simplified it or got it just plain wrong?
I don't work for CX but I think it's about, amongst other things, the fact that they pulled the reins in when times were hard, and they would like to see their fair share of the loot they helped the company make over and above that required to get through the hard times.
Have I over simplified it or got it just plain wrong?
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Tug he sounds like a wannabe to me....still in love with it all and can see no downside...I was like that once....still love my job but!!
Good luck CX guys...some of you are mates from previous airlines and I wish you well.
One of two things will happen now that they have started sacking people,
1/. Increased solidarity and victory or
2/. A complete cave and misery for all who follow.
I sincerely hope it is the former.
Chuck.
Good luck CX guys...some of you are mates from previous airlines and I wish you well.
One of two things will happen now that they have started sacking people,
1/. Increased solidarity and victory or
2/. A complete cave and misery for all who follow.
I sincerely hope it is the former.
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Errrm guys.....52 pilots have just been SACKED during an industrial dispute, if this 3rd gen topgun tosser hasn't noticed this then just ignore the one prop wannabee and keepyour eyes on the ball. The 52 include guys on leave, who have had nothing to do with the dispute, and is CX's way of reducing costs by sacking the most senior. If you don't think this will send a message to YOUR management, think again. Thnis affects all of us!!! (including ex ARAF pukes!) 
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This dispute has gone way beyond negotiation over pay and conditions. There cannot be any discussion until those 52 pilots are re-instated. Had this happened in UK then I suspect that all pilots in the company would have downed tools immediately and the company would be on its knees within days. sadly Hong Kong's labour laws prevent all out strike. However pressure must be increased by any possible means.
CX you have the support of every reasonable and responsible pilot in the free world. Keep up the fight and get those pilots their jobs back - next time it could be you receiving a DHL letter!
Good luck and best wishes.
CX you have the support of every reasonable and responsible pilot in the free world. Keep up the fight and get those pilots their jobs back - next time it could be you receiving a DHL letter!
Good luck and best wishes.
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MMMMMM!!! XSIMBA i do not think you will see pilots in the uk airlines putting down their tools if they are not happy with pay negotiations OR pilots being sacked, considering the PI** poor pay deals that most BALPA C/Cs were more than happy to accept as being GREAT!!This year. I think we we over estimate what BALPA and its members are prepared to do!!! Just a hunch.
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Whenever anyone mentions BALPA I can't but help think of this:
http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/crossli...g-lessons.html
cracks me up everytime....
No disrespect intended, Guvna - honest!
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http://www.stone-dead.asn.au/crossli...g-lessons.html
cracks me up everytime....
No disrespect intended, Guvna - honest!
BSP
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nads, I have to agree that our deals were inadequate. However no management would dare to arbitrarily sack a significant number of pilots for being BALPA members. Firstly we have clear laws preventing that kind of action. Secondly, I know of no pilot that would accept his colleagues being treated in such a disgraceful manner.
We in the UK have the option to strike, the CX pilots are prevented by Hong Kong's laws. I doubt BALPA would survive if it did not protect its members after such a provocative strike and take the fullest measures available to them in law.
We in the UK have the option to strike, the CX pilots are prevented by Hong Kong's laws. I doubt BALPA would survive if it did not protect its members after such a provocative strike and take the fullest measures available to them in law.
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The AOA really do need to get their PR machine out and running. This little quote is in a piece in both the New York Times and the International Herald Tribune:
Invest in some proper PR and get the misinformed journalists updated on salaries and even more importantly working conditions otherwise you will find yourselves increasingly isolated. The journalists have obviously been fed this cr@p by the Cathay bosses and they love it because it makes 'exciting' reading. We all know that the press never let the truth get in the way of a good story so wise up and give them something to use on your own behalf. War is always dirty.
Cathay Pacific's rocky relations with its pilots may seem odd, given that they are among the best paid in the world. A senior captain can earn more than $450,000; many are British or Australian expatriates.
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xsimba. The sacked CX crew will not be re-instated and the remaining CX crew know it.
CX have weeded out what they perceive as problem pilots or trouble makers.
The CX announcement reads "we have undertaken a detailed review of the employment history of all our pilots and identified those who, we feel, cannot be relied upon to act in the best interests of the company in the future.
We have, essentially, lost interest in those employees who have been terminated and decided that their continued employment with the company is no longer in the best interests of the company as a whole."
Unfortunately, the terminated employees may have difficulty in securing alternative employment with the above reference.
CX have weeded out what they perceive as problem pilots or trouble makers.
The CX announcement reads "we have undertaken a detailed review of the employment history of all our pilots and identified those who, we feel, cannot be relied upon to act in the best interests of the company in the future.
We have, essentially, lost interest in those employees who have been terminated and decided that their continued employment with the company is no longer in the best interests of the company as a whole."
Unfortunately, the terminated employees may have difficulty in securing alternative employment with the above reference.