Adam Air B737 Heavy Landing
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Heh, just outside Juanda airport are large Maspion factories. Maspion is Indonesia's largest maker of aluminium items (pots/ pans etc.)
Now I know why they are there - inexhaustable supply of cheap scrap metal!
Now I know why they are there - inexhaustable supply of cheap scrap metal!
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Grounded
Seems the Adamair's B737-300 (all 7 of them) have been grounded.
PK-KAR,
Seems the weather knocked this 'chine out.
http://www.thejakartapost.com/detail...1183226&irec=6
http://news.monstersandcritics.com/a...r_hard_landing
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapc...eut/index.html
PK-KAR,
Adam Air officials explained that Wednesday's accident occurred after the aircraft encountered poor weather conditions - heavy rains and strong wind.
'A few minutes before landing, it was reported that the plane received wind pressure from above, or what we call a downdraft,' Hartono, Adam Air's safety and security director, was quoted as saying by The Jakarta Post.
Television footage showed the Boeing 737-300 stranded on the airport runway with its rear section bent downwards and apparently a vertical split in the fuselage.
'A few minutes before landing, it was reported that the plane received wind pressure from above, or what we call a downdraft,' Hartono, Adam Air's safety and security director, was quoted as saying by The Jakarta Post.
Television footage showed the Boeing 737-300 stranded on the airport runway with its rear section bent downwards and apparently a vertical split in the fuselage.
The incident caused the body of the plane cracking, creating an angle of some 35 decrees, according to the television. But there is no report of serious wound and casualty from the incident.
http://news.monstersandcritics.com/a...r_hard_landing
http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapc...eut/index.html
Last edited by jet_noseover; 22nd Feb 2007 at 03:59. Reason: cnn link addition
Having lived in Indonesia (and having an Indonesian wife) I can assure you that people will continue to fly with these clowns, until (if) they are closed down - which given their connections is unlikely.
Why? 1. They are cheap. 2. Indonesians generally have no concept of "what would happen if..." - look at how they cram 5 people on a moped and set off across Jakarta to visit the inlaws.
Why? 1. They are cheap. 2. Indonesians generally have no concept of "what would happen if..." - look at how they cram 5 people on a moped and set off across Jakarta to visit the inlaws.
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Some official comments on 'painted white incident', rough translation.
Angkasa Pura (Juanda Airport) Head of PR, Edmundus Priyono :
"It's just temporary, no problemo, it's their plane anyway"
"It's their plane, they own the plane, it is their rigth to do so"
Chairman Subcommittee of KNKT (National Transportation Safety Committee),
Indonesian Agency responsible for investigating transportation accident, Fran Wenas :
"Team is already in Juanda, color alteration does not interfere with investigation process."
"Maybe they (Adam Air) did not want their airplane to be so obvious"
Both are not consulted first by Adam Air before repainting the aircraft white. Those comments disregard Indonesian Law and ICAO adopted as a Legal Framework for KNKT regarding evidence. Clearly Adam Air has tempered with the evidence.
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it is quite common for airline liveries to be covered after incidents. Air France were quick to blank the tail of that Fokker that got bent last month, and Brittania did the same with the 757 that broke up after leaving the runway a few years back. No idea whether or not its interference with evidence though.
I believe it's due to ownership reasons: an airplane that's written-off in an accident becomes property of the insurance company. Hence the removal of markings and registrations. (Or something like that.) However, painting a wreck this thoroughly seems pretty remarkable to me.
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Very much a missed marketing opportunity really... why white? Would have thought bright banana yellow would have been more appropriate.
Ouch, when that hit the ground that woud have definitely hurt a little.. hope the poor passengers were ok.
Ouch, when that hit the ground that woud have definitely hurt a little.. hope the poor passengers were ok.
short flights long nights
mmmmm.....must have been a very very hard hit
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Ouch.
Hard to beleive people will still fly with clowns like this given that the wreckage of their last crash still hasn't been found.
Is stuff like this covered up over there so people don't know about it or are people really stupid enough to keep using them?
Hard to beleive people will still fly with clowns like this given that the wreckage of their last crash still hasn't been found.
Is stuff like this covered up over there so people don't know about it or are people really stupid enough to keep using them?
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They did it in less than 24 hours after the incident, before any formal investigation took place. For me that's kindda odd. 
And now the owner + management is denying the cracking body of the airplane, said it's fine and sitting in the Merpati Hangar in front of reporters and jurnalist, saw that in Metro TV (Indonesian CNN-like). What do they expect us to believe, that the airplane is in for a tire change? Their denials is out of this world. Everybody in Indonesia knows it's bullsh*t, every people I've talked to said it was cracked and bented like a hump whale. They KNOW!
Adamair ticked box employee was interviewed by Metro reporter and was asked why Adamair canceled/delayed other fligths and were there any customer returning tickets, demanding refunds. His response was business is as usual. "The one you see in the information board (cancelled) has already departed an hour ago, full sitting". Yeah ..right. And that there were no ticket cancelation by customer. After that interview, Metro runned a footage of qeuing tickets holder returning them and wanting refunds. Gotcha, again.
Apparantly denials is their game now. Nice company damage control startegy.
And now the owner + management is denying the cracking body of the airplane, said it's fine and sitting in the Merpati Hangar in front of reporters and jurnalist, saw that in Metro TV (Indonesian CNN-like). What do they expect us to believe, that the airplane is in for a tire change? Their denials is out of this world. Everybody in Indonesia knows it's bullsh*t, every people I've talked to said it was cracked and bented like a hump whale. They KNOW!
Adamair ticked box employee was interviewed by Metro reporter and was asked why Adamair canceled/delayed other fligths and were there any customer returning tickets, demanding refunds. His response was business is as usual. "The one you see in the information board (cancelled) has already departed an hour ago, full sitting". Yeah ..right. And that there were no ticket cancelation by customer. After that interview, Metro runned a footage of qeuing tickets holder returning them and wanting refunds. Gotcha, again.
Apparantly denials is their game now. Nice company damage control startegy.
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Last year Indonesia had an aviation incident or accident, on average, every ten days. This info compliments of the Idonesia aviation authorities.
Jakarta and Juanda airspace, on a good day is chaotic and on a bad day just down right dangerous.
Jakarta and Juanda airspace, on a good day is chaotic and on a bad day just down right dangerous.
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Having lived in Indonesia (and having an Indonesian wife) I can assure you that people will continue to fly with these clowns, until (if) they are closed down - which given their connections is unlikely.
Why? 1. They are cheap. 2. Indonesians generally have no concept of "what would happen if..." - look at how they cram 5 people on a moped and set off across Jakarta to visit the inlaws.
Why? 1. They are cheap. 2. Indonesians generally have no concept of "what would happen if..." - look at how they cram 5 people on a moped and set off across Jakarta to visit the inlaws.
"There are three kinds of people:
Those who learn from their own mistakes,
those who learn from others' mistakes, and
those who never learn."
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They did not waste any time painting the whole aircraft white.
For me is a bit strange that landing gear didn't collapsed first...
look at how they cram 5 people on a moped and set off across Jakarta to visit the inlaws.