Letter from a 49'r
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Nah, I suspect that the only CX management here is busdriver25 who's desperately trying to appear as hardline union as possible (but overdoing it somewhat) ... I reckon his game plan is that if they make it appear that the AOA has been taken over by militants that would attract in crews who would be happy to 'union bust' having had bad experiences with them in the 80s and 90s.
Just my 2c!! (as a non-CX manager)
Just my 2c!! (as a non-CX manager)
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Hi Guv.
As we are accusing ourselves here on being management pilots, I was wondering if you, or bus25, ironbutt or 411A would care to elaborate on exactly how these suspicions have come about; and why that would be a problem in the first place? As it seems, CX and the union are, at the moment unable to find some common grounds for a decent discussion as to how to rid the problem. Why not use this forum of an initial, anonymous approach for a dialogue?
Although I have nothing to do with CX, have not even once flown with them, I hate to see such a great airline being FedEx'd to hell.
Just a thought.
Cheers
As we are accusing ourselves here on being management pilots, I was wondering if you, or bus25, ironbutt or 411A would care to elaborate on exactly how these suspicions have come about; and why that would be a problem in the first place? As it seems, CX and the union are, at the moment unable to find some common grounds for a decent discussion as to how to rid the problem. Why not use this forum of an initial, anonymous approach for a dialogue?
Although I have nothing to do with CX, have not even once flown with them, I hate to see such a great airline being FedEx'd to hell.
Just a thought.
Cheers
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Looks like this could be the reason why Chinese airlines seem to have rather a lot of aircraft hanging around...
From atwonline.com:
CAAC has reported that China's airline industry suffered a loss of 2 billion yuan
($241.36 million) in the first half of this year. CAAC stated that among China's more than 30 domestic airlines, only Shandong Airlines, Hainan Airlines and Shanghai Airlines were profitable. Industry RPKs were up 9.6% and cargo up 8.6% during the period.
BTW, my last posting was intended to be tongue in cheek!
From atwonline.com:
CAAC has reported that China's airline industry suffered a loss of 2 billion yuan
($241.36 million) in the first half of this year. CAAC stated that among China's more than 30 domestic airlines, only Shandong Airlines, Hainan Airlines and Shanghai Airlines were profitable. Industry RPKs were up 9.6% and cargo up 8.6% during the period.
BTW, my last posting was intended to be tongue in cheek!
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Cathay Pacific Airways pilotsmarch to a meeting in Hong Kong August 22, 2001. Cathay Pacific Airways' pilots are likely to vote overwhelmingly for tougher job action as their dispute with management drags on, a pilots' union spokesman said. In the last week, the airline has been forced to cancel a number of flights because a growing number of pilots were calling in sick. REUTERS/Kin Cheung
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Far from it.
There is much intellectual cpaital available to debate the issues with the public.
What is actually needed is some outside help. All the apray is on the walls.
Both sides need two folk with cultural and intellectual sensitivity to the isues to broker a peace...one item at a time.
There is much intellectual cpaital available to debate the issues with the public.
What is actually needed is some outside help. All the apray is on the walls.
Both sides need two folk with cultural and intellectual sensitivity to the isues to broker a peace...one item at a time.
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Don't trust anyone...but trust the goodwill.
Most folk who have lived CX for 10 years plus..on both sides have goodwill.
What they don't have is the ability to talk to each other.
What I am proposing is that two souls with intellectual affinity to the issues and a love for the company be brought in to solve...ONE PROBLEM AT A TIME.
An ex CS from the the UK does not have the investment in CX to donate body parts.
Body parts is what is required.
Donors to the front of the queu please...
if it's 2% or 3% ...surely everyone will contribute as long as people can get their lives back. Try the HKAOA rostering system...it's one of the few things that works at the moment.
Most folk who have lived CX for 10 years plus..on both sides have goodwill.
What they don't have is the ability to talk to each other.
What I am proposing is that two souls with intellectual affinity to the issues and a love for the company be brought in to solve...ONE PROBLEM AT A TIME.
An ex CS from the the UK does not have the investment in CX to donate body parts.
Body parts is what is required.
Donors to the front of the queu please...
if it's 2% or 3% ...surely everyone will contribute as long as people can get their lives back. Try the HKAOA rostering system...it's one of the few things that works at the moment.
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They weren't to interested in '93 when Mr Eeddington Phd Cx An Ba etc and "Paddy" O'Gilvie set the ball rolling for new roster ptactices. Why change the habits of a life time! Hope that eventually sense will prevail for everyone in the company!
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smith--
These guys stepped on their di@ks a long time ago by EXcluding locals in the first place. Of course, many of the present guys were not there then, but the culture certainly remained.
Too bad they could not see the light sooner.
These guys stepped on their di@ks a long time ago by EXcluding locals in the first place. Of course, many of the present guys were not there then, but the culture certainly remained.
Too bad they could not see the light sooner.
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Guv,
Regarding your comment about very few captain in the picture. It is probably because we are low on pilots, especially captains, and most of them are out flying. Also F.O.'s tend to hang out in one group and captains in another. This is just one random picture. There are, however, many senior captain that used to be anti-union that fully support the union now because of management's poor leadership. Thanks for everybody's support through these though times. The aviation world is very small and it is nice that pilots can help one another out during tough and unfair times. Thanks to you all.
[ 26 August 2001: Message edited by: busdriver25 ]
Regarding your comment about very few captain in the picture. It is probably because we are low on pilots, especially captains, and most of them are out flying. Also F.O.'s tend to hang out in one group and captains in another. This is just one random picture. There are, however, many senior captain that used to be anti-union that fully support the union now because of management's poor leadership. Thanks for everybody's support through these though times. The aviation world is very small and it is nice that pilots can help one another out during tough and unfair times. Thanks to you all.
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Let's remember that the motion of support for the AOA carried at over 92%. That figure includes an awful lot of captains, except for the management ones, of course.
411A, why don't you concentrate on your own start-up, or at staring at the fountain from Indian Wells?
411A, why don't you concentrate on your own start-up, or at staring at the fountain from Indian Wells?
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Cathay management are now conducting intimmidation interviews for those pilots that call in sick. Apparently if you don't give them adequate notice ie. greater than 12 hours, you are not allowed to call in sick. What are these idiots doing? So much for flight safety. 
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>>What are these idiots doing? So much for flight safety.<<
Of course, a lot of folks call in sick when they are not sick, even brag about it, no wonder companies are not always inclined to take a pilot's word on this matter.
Crying flight safety during an industrial action is kinda like when we cry poverty during pay negotiations. Comes with the territory I suppose...
Of course, a lot of folks call in sick when they are not sick, even brag about it, no wonder companies are not always inclined to take a pilot's word on this matter.
Crying flight safety during an industrial action is kinda like when we cry poverty during pay negotiations. Comes with the territory I suppose...
