Nurse fury at Ryanair as woman dies on flight from Italy
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This thread is absolutely terrifying!!! Another reason why I will be advising all my friends and family to never touch Ryanair with a bargepole!!! Id the crew had been properly trained they would know where the First Aid kits were, they would know that they contain latex gloves and face shields and THEY WOULD KNOW HOW TO USE THEM!!!
Surely the crew member who can only take a pulse is not fully legal to be flying under Irish Aviation regulations???
I actually know the nurse from Malahide so next time Im home I shall be having an interesting chat with her!
Surely the crew member who can only take a pulse is not fully legal to be flying under Irish Aviation regulations???
I actually know the nurse from Malahide so next time Im home I shall be having an interesting chat with her!
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The Red Cross first aid advice is that gloves are considered as the "basic materials" and the mask as a "useful edition" in a first aid kit. Without argument then neither are vital to life saving.
Your DRABC drill shows you're gonna have to do CPR, which bit of kit would you chose?
The gloves (because the cabin floor of any Ryanair acft is seething mass of vomit, chewing gum and chocolate muffin?
No, the mask, because it gives you a greater level of protection than the gloves.I think the Red Cross should revise which one is essential.
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There are two item of medical equipment in the bag; you can chose ONLY one, the gloves OR the mask.
Your DRABC drill shows you're gonna have to do CPR, which bit of kit would you chose?
The gloves (because the cabin floor of any Ryanair acft is seething mass of vomit, chewing gum and chocolate muffin? No, the mask, because it gives you a greater level of protection than the gloves.
I think the Red Cross should revise which one is essential.
Your DRABC drill shows you're gonna have to do CPR, which bit of kit would you chose?
The gloves (because the cabin floor of any Ryanair acft is seething mass of vomit, chewing gum and chocolate muffin?
No, the mask, because it gives you a greater level of protection than the gloves.I think the Red Cross should revise which one is essential.
Yup, definately the mask!
At risk of thread digression, in the CPR context, yes the mask is more important.
But for the broad subject of "first aid" - covering any injury - then the gloves are probably more essential in preventing disease transfer both ways.
And to answer an earlier question, yes HIV can be transmitted orally if the infectee (?) has open cuts around the mouth (especially possible with bleeding gums or a mouth ulcer).
But for the broad subject of "first aid" - covering any injury - then the gloves are probably more essential in preventing disease transfer both ways.
And to answer an earlier question, yes HIV can be transmitted orally if the infectee (?) has open cuts around the mouth (especially possible with bleeding gums or a mouth ulcer).
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This thread is absolutely terrifying!!! Another reason why I will be advising all my friends and family to never touch Ryanair with a bargepole!!! Id the crew had been properly trained they would know where the First Aid kits were, they would know that they contain latex gloves and face shields and THEY WOULD KNOW HOW TO USE THEM!!!
Surely the crew member who can only take a pulse is not fully legal to be flying under Irish Aviation regulations???
I actually know the nurse from Malahide so next time Im home I shall be having an interesting chat with her!
Surely the crew member who can only take a pulse is not fully legal to be flying under Irish Aviation regulations???
I actually know the nurse from Malahide so next time Im home I shall be having an interesting chat with her!
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Inescapably....... You get what you pay for
The arrogance of O'Leary will only permit the absolute minimum of equipment on board that is mandated. Anything else is a waste of money & fuel.
This is the RYR way.
The arrogance of O'Leary will only permit the absolute minimum of equipment on board that is mandated. Anything else is a waste of money & fuel.
This is the RYR way.
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hello gents,
the required emergency outfit onboard is regulated by the jar ops1 & there should not be any difference wether the aircraft is irish, uk ,ba, bmi, monarch, ryr,ez, high cost, low cost etc.
the required emergency outfit onboard is regulated by the jar ops1 & there should not be any difference wether the aircraft is irish, uk ,ba, bmi, monarch, ryr,ez, high cost, low cost etc.
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Please somone correct me if any of the statements below are incorrect:
The cost, per flight, of providing DOZENS of these masks/gloves is fractions of a penny - compared to the tens of thousands of pounds/euros that the flight costs to lay on. I guess thats the value that MOL and RYR management put on the life of one of their passengers (guess they can't complain once they're 6 feet under).
By my standards the above statement is outrageously provocative - but, in this case, it's how I feel. I would love someone from the company to explain to me why I should change the above - I am always open to more information.
OC619
P.S. This does assume that the kit was not on board. If it was then the crew training needs looking at.
- The masks and/or gloves in question cost a few pounds/euros
- The masks and/or gloves in question are provided in sealed bags - assuming the bags are not opened they are good for many months
- A new passenger plane costs $50-200 MILLION
- The marginal costs per flight (fuel / landing charges / crew wages / ....) are considerable
The cost, per flight, of providing DOZENS of these masks/gloves is fractions of a penny - compared to the tens of thousands of pounds/euros that the flight costs to lay on. I guess thats the value that MOL and RYR management put on the life of one of their passengers (guess they can't complain once they're 6 feet under).
By my standards the above statement is outrageously provocative - but, in this case, it's how I feel. I would love someone from the company to explain to me why I should change the above - I am always open to more information.
OC619
P.S. This does assume that the kit was not on board. If it was then the crew training needs looking at.
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Ryanair said all of its aircraft were stocked with two security-sealed first-aid kits, as required under the regulations.
When our UK charter airline started many years ago we had a sealed first-aid kit. The restocking and resealing was done under the engineering contract and cost £150 per time plus items.
Most flights needed the kit resealing after each fkight where perhaps one paracetomol had been taken out.
After five years of this someone cottoned on and the cabin crew took on an unsealed kit of obvious pills and bits to be restocked from Boots at leisure.
Eventually a Doctor's kit was put on which was sealed as it contained drugs that could only be prescribed by a physician.
In the interim there was an obvious reluctance to break open a sealed kit with the inherent high cost and this may have been a factor in this incident.
When our UK charter airline started many years ago we had a sealed first-aid kit. The restocking and resealing was done under the engineering contract and cost £150 per time plus items.
Most flights needed the kit resealing after each fkight where perhaps one paracetomol had been taken out.
After five years of this someone cottoned on and the cabin crew took on an unsealed kit of obvious pills and bits to be restocked from Boots at leisure.
Eventually a Doctor's kit was put on which was sealed as it contained drugs that could only be prescribed by a physician.
In the interim there was an obvious reluctance to break open a sealed kit with the inherent high cost and this may have been a factor in this incident.
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Last year I went thru First Aid training. The teacher was a professional fireman.
Here is what he told us when asked if we should use them on the street:
"For us (pros) it is a professional mistake (liable to sanctions by management) not to use both of them" followed by "but you can do what you want".
In this case, the problem is not to know if it would have saved the passenger or not, but more to the point, how is it possible to have cabin crew not knowing the content of the first aid kit?
Could it be due to lack of training?
Here is what he told us when asked if we should use them on the street:
"For us (pros) it is a professional mistake (liable to sanctions by management) not to use both of them" followed by "but you can do what you want".
In this case, the problem is not to know if it would have saved the passenger or not, but more to the point, how is it possible to have cabin crew not knowing the content of the first aid kit?
Could it be due to lack of training?
>The other Irish nurse on the flight, Suzanne Scott from Malahide in Dublin, said she >had written to the Irish Aviation Authority to express her concerns.
Good luck... she'll need it.
Good luck... she'll need it.
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Difficult to comment without knowing the full facts, but it's unlikely that an increase in the complexity of the basic equipment would have saved this poor girl.
I'm not sure how many unexpected deaths there are in the skies each year, but I have seen a recent article suggesting that about 200 lives per year could be saved in the UK per year if we were all proficient in CPR.
I would have thought it prudent to carry some cheap basics on board,- I'm not a first aid expert, but a one way mask/tube, and ?perhaps an assortment of airways would be useful. I'm not sure if this would help the patient that much, but from my experience, cardiac/ and respiratory arrest usually involves the airway becoming obstructed by vomuit/mucous. I'm not sure why rubber gloves are that important.
Of course, you could impact on the 120,000 premature deaths each year, and stop selling cigarettes.
I'm not sure how many unexpected deaths there are in the skies each year, but I have seen a recent article suggesting that about 200 lives per year could be saved in the UK per year if we were all proficient in CPR.
I would have thought it prudent to carry some cheap basics on board,- I'm not a first aid expert, but a one way mask/tube, and ?perhaps an assortment of airways would be useful. I'm not sure if this would help the patient that much, but from my experience, cardiac/ and respiratory arrest usually involves the airway becoming obstructed by vomuit/mucous. I'm not sure why rubber gloves are that important.
Of course, you could impact on the 120,000 premature deaths each year, and stop selling cigarettes.
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Please note:
Mac The Knife (from his handle you should be able to guess what he gets up to for a living) said it all in his post. Please go back to it and read it in full.
/LH2 (who used to be a lowly EMT in a previous life)
/LH2 (who used to be a lowly EMT in a previous life)
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If this is an accurate quote then I find this lack of concern by the IAA absolutely staggering.
And you are surprised!!! Have you read the thread cullen v O'leary??? The only thing the IAA care about is money. Too many people in HQ got there because they know someone and not something. Everyone should be calling them up and asking them questions because nobody seems to regulate them.They are a law on to themselves.
And you are surprised!!! Have you read the thread cullen v O'leary??? The only thing the IAA care about is money. Too many people in HQ got there because they know someone and not something. Everyone should be calling them up and asking them questions because nobody seems to regulate them.They are a law on to themselves.
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Not sure if you are all aware, but if you give mouth to mouth to someone, 99% of the time they will vomit if they begin breathing again . I for one would want to make sure i had gloves on to clear the airway from vomit. Why should that nurse put herself at risk when she is nopt in her work place. If she caught a virus due to not having protection, who is to blame ????
Most airlines ( shorthaul ) only carry the standard 1st aid kit and don't carry defibs, or doctors kits.
Most airlines ( shorthaul ) only carry the standard 1st aid kit and don't carry defibs, or doctors kits.
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On a final point whilst some conditions may have come on slowly it would appear that this patient was not breathing and had no pulse, and yet it took 40 minutes to land at a suitable airport whilst carrying out CPR?
Tell the cabin crew to throw all the trays etc. in the toilets and you should be able to get it on the ground in 15 minutes max from anywhere in Europe!
Tell the cabin crew to throw all the trays etc. in the toilets and you should be able to get it on the ground in 15 minutes max from anywhere in Europe!
