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You forgot all the PANAM pilots that went to United as captains with the pacific Routes.
My next door neighbor is one of those. They did VERY well thank you very much.
More than Half of PANAM was taken care of splendidly. Not bad for an airline that didn't make money in its last decade of existence.
The Jobs for most of the PANAM pilots is one of the great success stories.
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My next door neighbor is one of those. They did VERY well thank you very much.
More than Half of PANAM was taken care of splendidly. Not bad for an airline that didn't make money in its last decade of existence.
The Jobs for most of the PANAM pilots is one of the great success stories.
Cheers
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>>The Jobs for most of the PANAM pilots is one of the great success stories.<<
I don't know if I could say that...
Some of the pilots with Pan Am when it shut down were offered inteviews as newhires for jobs on the bottom of the UAL list. Even those that were hired were given deferred class dates due to EEOC considerations (i.e. they weren't "diverse" enough). The pilots who went with United in 1985 were hired in the 1960's and had better luck. However Delta did take Pan Am pilots with seniority when Pan Am folded, United which claims to be the hard core ALPA airline did not. This is ancient history but probably relevant to the Comair situation.
I don't know if I could say that...
Some of the pilots with Pan Am when it shut down were offered inteviews as newhires for jobs on the bottom of the UAL list. Even those that were hired were given deferred class dates due to EEOC considerations (i.e. they weren't "diverse" enough). The pilots who went with United in 1985 were hired in the 1960's and had better luck. However Delta did take Pan Am pilots with seniority when Pan Am folded, United which claims to be the hard core ALPA airline did not. This is ancient history but probably relevant to the Comair situation.
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How much is strike pay these days? must have been good for the Eastern blokes, I was paying an assesment from my commuter pilot salary so a striking eastern guy could take home more strike pay than my working salary...then he could get on a jumpseat ahead of me, 'coz he was a major airline pilot, and I was not...this treatment from our parent airline with whom we code-shared....strange business we live in here...hope the comair guys and gals get this sorted out soon...because it is only going to get worse...suprised the call for "replacements" hasn't gone out yet...which leads us to believe that the intention is to close the airline if things persist....hope i'm wrong...
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Iron,
During the EAL strike one of the requirements for collecting strike pay was to walk the picket line for X hours per week.
Don't know about the other bases, but in Mia, some of the ethical bretheren went to the local daily work places and hired some down and out type to sign in and carry their sign for them. They paid the guy a pittance and collected their strike pay from guys like you while they were on the golf course or out on the water.
I agree, that no call for "replacements" would seem to indicate it's all over except the lawsuits...
During the EAL strike one of the requirements for collecting strike pay was to walk the picket line for X hours per week.
Don't know about the other bases, but in Mia, some of the ethical bretheren went to the local daily work places and hired some down and out type to sign in and carry their sign for them. They paid the guy a pittance and collected their strike pay from guys like you while they were on the golf course or out on the water.
I agree, that no call for "replacements" would seem to indicate it's all over except the lawsuits...
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lets see, Delta buy Comair for 1.8 billion, and now they are ready to flush it down the toilet all in the name of what? shareholder value, retaining control, maximizing profit potential, realigning cost structure , or is it just a case of "piss on you and the stockholders, we are going to drive this one off the cliff." And we want to blame the Comair pilots? You'all need some serious counseling if you think the crisis is the making of the Comair guys.
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Let's see...You're flying Captain on an RJ, making mid to high $60's, and want more. Fine, leave and get a job that has what you want.
Being abused by the company re: flight and duty times? Hold them to the FAR's. If they take action against you, go to court.
Counseling for those who think this crisis is the making of the Comair guys? Get Real.
If not them, who then?
Being abused by the company re: flight and duty times? Hold them to the FAR's. If they take action against you, go to court.
Counseling for those who think this crisis is the making of the Comair guys? Get Real.
If not them, who then?
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I believe you gentlemen do not understand the complete implication. Yes, it is about money, but it is also about a clash of two titans, ALPA and DAL. ALPA gets a fat raise for the DAL pilots but the COMAIR pilots will pay the price because they are vulnerable. Bush will keep DAL flying no matter what but he does not care about COMAIR. In the final analyisis, COMAIR will be either dismantled starting in July or a call will go to impose the contract and anyone who wants to work under those conditions may. further, it is ridiculous that they negotiate for 3years and the come up with a document that is worse than the one at our company! It is not industry leading. The Comair mgt has misread the situation and will let the airline die rather than admit it. Believe me, an 18 yr RJ cappy deserves more than what they are offering since that group is just a handful. Besides, Comair has made Siebenburgen and CO multimillionares so they don't care.
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As someone who was actually a rEAL participant in the Eastern strike, there never was a requirement to walk the line to get the strike pay of $2,000 per month (regardless of seat). If one thinks $2,000 a month was the reason 97% of the membership didn't cross the line, well then, you don't understand what happened at Eastern. The Eastern pilots are directly responsible for the mega contracts of today because they alone got rid of the Francisco Lorenzo's of airline management . My hat's off to the Comair pilots.
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Well, just like in the Eastern debacle, someone might benefit from the strike but it won't be the Comair pilots I'm afraid...
They may be jobless but at least they can keep scab lists and say they held the line, right?
They may be jobless but at least they can keep scab lists and say they held the line, right?
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Or flying FO on an RJ and making maybe $25k a year, with open time, and want more. Either way, leaving is what they're doing...en masse. How is this incompatible with a free market? Go ahead and try to find your scabs, I think you'll have a hard time. Maybe go down and recruit at Gulfstream...
I trust that you'll be picking up the attorney fees and feeding the family pending that big cash settlement and reinstatment.
I don't know. But I'd begin by looking at the managment of a company that is producing record profit margins but is unwilling to pay their first year FO's more than the guy that cleans your pool. You do have a pool right?
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size="2"> Let's see...You're flying Captain on an RJ, making mid to high $60's, and want more. Fine, leave and get a job that has what you want. </font>
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size="2"> Being abused by the company re: flight and duty times? Hold them to the FAR's. If they take action against you, go to court. </font>
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size="2"> If not them, who then? </font>
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>>But I'd begin by looking at the managment of a company that is producing record profit margins but is unwilling to pay their first year FO's more than the guy that cleans your pool.<<
This line applies to several of the majors as well. It is improving at some carriers but the time honored tradition of screwing the new guys with "probationary" pay is alive and well here in the U.S. I've been there more than once...
This line applies to several of the majors as well. It is improving at some carriers but the time honored tradition of screwing the new guys with "probationary" pay is alive and well here in the U.S. I've been there more than once...
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All I'm saying is the Comair guys gave this their best shot, and it seems to have missed. Once Comair is liquidated it's over.
I say go back to work and fight from within, if that's what you feel you have to do, because it doesn't look to me like you're going to win on the outside.
I say go back to work and fight from within, if that's what you feel you have to do, because it doesn't look to me like you're going to win on the outside.
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Noticed some of the guys on the Comair picket line in the newspaper, friend of mine mentioned that he knew some of these at EAL, they were the diehard ALPA guys. If true, seems like the younger guys were hoodwinked...big time. Wouldn't be the first time.
And, if Comair is folded, it will be a BIG tax loss for Delta, not a bad scenario for the financial bigwigs at DAL.
And, if Comair is folded, it will be a BIG tax loss for Delta, not a bad scenario for the financial bigwigs at DAL.
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I would think if Delta were worried about Comair, the problems would have been solved...it's all about survivability, and DAL has it, and employees don't...their families pay the price in these instances. Something has to give here..and maybe it's the Comair pilot GROUP already several hundred have lost their jobs as a result..is ALPO placing them with other ALPO carriers...doubt it, Eastern scabs got hired at United as early as a year before strikers...have the names of two of them..no won't post them....this whole standoff is a mess and the only loosers are all the employees of Comair....
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If DAL decides to kill the cash cow, I for one will be very confused. Just so they know, however, there is a bunch based in the midwest, south and east that are ready, able, and all too willing to take over where the fight was left off if the Comair boys and girls fail in their endeavor, and the doors are closed.
If you thought the seasoned veterans of Comair are steadfast in their conviction, wait untill you see how dedicated and ornary a group two thousand strong and twenty-something young can be with nothing to lose, and absolutely everything to gain.
I howl at the notion that our very governing entity fills their ranks with the perfect recipe for it's own revolution.
Comair pilots are the leaders, the first imposed with the opportunity to demand change. They are simply the "recon" for those who wait impatiently behind the ramparts of a fateful date in the fall of 2001.
Send them home. Provide us the catalyst which will justify the means to the end in which we are so dedicated. I for one, can not wait for this fight to enter our arena.
If you thought the seasoned veterans of Comair are steadfast in their conviction, wait untill you see how dedicated and ornary a group two thousand strong and twenty-something young can be with nothing to lose, and absolutely everything to gain.
I howl at the notion that our very governing entity fills their ranks with the perfect recipe for it's own revolution.
Comair pilots are the leaders, the first imposed with the opportunity to demand change. They are simply the "recon" for those who wait impatiently behind the ramparts of a fateful date in the fall of 2001.
Send them home. Provide us the catalyst which will justify the means to the end in which we are so dedicated. I for one, can not wait for this fight to enter our arena.
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Obob,
Ooooohhhh, Bob.....and you think you're confused now?
Just wait until you're "walking the line" and watching your job head down the toilet.
Have you stopped to think where that rent (you obvivously don't own)and car payment are coming from? How you going to eat?
And forget about preferential hiring. ALPO has no say in HR decisions at the majors, despite what they're telling. And even if they do, all of their horsepower will have been used up by the Comair folks...
In other words, if you're aching for this fight, it sounds like 1. you're not happy where you are, and 2. you don't appear to have your mind on your job, which beside being a sign of immaturity, is downright scary.
Ooooohhhh, Bob.....and you think you're confused now?
Just wait until you're "walking the line" and watching your job head down the toilet.
Have you stopped to think where that rent (you obvivously don't own)and car payment are coming from? How you going to eat?
And forget about preferential hiring. ALPO has no say in HR decisions at the majors, despite what they're telling. And even if they do, all of their horsepower will have been used up by the Comair folks...
In other words, if you're aching for this fight, it sounds like 1. you're not happy where you are, and 2. you don't appear to have your mind on your job, which beside being a sign of immaturity, is downright scary.