Passenger rights vs safety
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Kontrolore (and others),
You can always clam some type of question for the structural capability for the a/c taking in mind existence of cracks and their control through appropriate set of inspection intervals.
But still the bird flies, so, I assume you can do the same for this type of electrical failure.
Did I draw here a line to long, perhaps?
Anyway PIC makes the decision with full responsibility and I guess (and hope) it is a valid one.
To see all the systems fail (as someone mentioned 5 generators) it would be a hell of a case for R&M to look into.
Cheers,
You can always clam some type of question for the structural capability for the a/c taking in mind existence of cracks and their control through appropriate set of inspection intervals.
But still the bird flies, so, I assume you can do the same for this type of electrical failure.
Did I draw here a line to long, perhaps?
Anyway PIC makes the decision with full responsibility and I guess (and hope) it is a valid one.
To see all the systems fail (as someone mentioned 5 generators) it would be a hell of a case for R&M to look into.
Cheers,
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my question was more a criticism towards a pressure crews might feel due to new EU regulative (passenger rights). I hope nobody understood my quesiton as criticism of flgiht crews 
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I work on very basic principles (like to keep it simple - brain limited).
My seat ok - your seat ok.
Me happy (and that includes my colleague in the RHS) - you ok.
Me not happy - you still ok cos we ain't going anywhere or will be on the ground tout de suite.
Realistically, I can't think of too many people who have this over-riding deathwish to concern themselves with the pressure of passenger rights over aircraft safety. It's our botties up there too.
Commercial pressure in my company only extends as far as which airfield we divert into (should I deem it necessary) and only then to consider the ease of handling and obtaining the necessary engineering support. As most guys n gals in europe know, you are pretty much always going to be within half an hour of somewhere sensible.
Life, licence, job. Passenger rights didn't make it onto the list where safety is concerned.
I work on very basic principles (like to keep it simple - brain limited).
My seat ok - your seat ok.
Me happy (and that includes my colleague in the RHS) - you ok.
Me not happy - you still ok cos we ain't going anywhere or will be on the ground tout de suite.
Realistically, I can't think of too many people who have this over-riding deathwish to concern themselves with the pressure of passenger rights over aircraft safety. It's our botties up there too.
Commercial pressure in my company only extends as far as which airfield we divert into (should I deem it necessary) and only then to consider the ease of handling and obtaining the necessary engineering support. As most guys n gals in europe know, you are pretty much always going to be within half an hour of somewhere sensible.
Life, licence, job. Passenger rights didn't make it onto the list where safety is concerned.
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Carnage - thanks for the refresher
Like C M says - this was not a total electrical failure so if you have restored your systems then you would be safe to press on. We in the States do not have this stupid passenger bill of rights that the EU has imposed so the only pressure that you would ever feel is the "continue mission" drive that most pilots have. I will say that I have overruled a Maintenance Controller (the Tech I talk to to sort out MX problems) and Dispatch and landed the aircraft at a different place than they wanted me to ( I wanted closer, they farther) but I have never at any airline been second guessed for my decision.
As PIC you should only ever have to be able to give a logical reason for your actions, you should never be prosecuted for those actions if they meet a reasonable standard, that is if an outside person looking in would say that that was a reasonable course of action.
I think there is a valid point to this thread. BA pilots would probably never have this EU Bill of rights pressure put on them but what about Ryan, or Easy or some of the other operators run by autocratic management? Look at the Air Mauritaneus (sp)thread to see what unjustified pressure can do to a career. It costs EU airlines a lot of cash to misconnect pax with destination. To say that there will never be pressure put on by this bill is to be ignorant of reality.
Like C M says - this was not a total electrical failure so if you have restored your systems then you would be safe to press on. We in the States do not have this stupid passenger bill of rights that the EU has imposed so the only pressure that you would ever feel is the "continue mission" drive that most pilots have. I will say that I have overruled a Maintenance Controller (the Tech I talk to to sort out MX problems) and Dispatch and landed the aircraft at a different place than they wanted me to ( I wanted closer, they farther) but I have never at any airline been second guessed for my decision.
As PIC you should only ever have to be able to give a logical reason for your actions, you should never be prosecuted for those actions if they meet a reasonable standard, that is if an outside person looking in would say that that was a reasonable course of action.
I think there is a valid point to this thread. BA pilots would probably never have this EU Bill of rights pressure put on them but what about Ryan, or Easy or some of the other operators run by autocratic management? Look at the Air Mauritaneus (sp)thread to see what unjustified pressure can do to a career. It costs EU airlines a lot of cash to misconnect pax with destination. To say that there will never be pressure put on by this bill is to be ignorant of reality.
