Ryanair Unsafe ?? I don't think so
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Intel and some other multinationals reward their staff for not joining unions. There is no momentum in most of those companies for a union. The staff evidently feel there is no need.
It would appear that is not the case in FR.
It would appear that is not the case in FR.
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Sean,
I come to this post fairly late but going back to your original post - rather than address all of the additional points that have been raised, let me relate my experience with your company.
I retired from my flight deck positin 2 years ago now and now live in southern Europe. I use the low cost airlines quite regularly but will not knowingly use Ryanair again because I do think that their cabin staff leave a lot to be desired.
Last October, I listened to the worst cabin safety briefing that I have ever heard. It was sloppy, out of synch with the spoken commentary and given with no enthusism whatsoever.
This was after I had pointed out to the cabin staff that the seat in front of me would not return to the upright position and yet still was given to a passenger. He spent the whole yourney reclining. My coments were accepted with a shrug of the shoulders. Next I studied the safety card. It was for a different mark of 737 and did not show the correct number of emergency exits.. Again this was brought to the attention of the cabin crew supervisor who looked as me as though I had just landed from the moon.
Sean,
I come to this post fairly late but going back to your original post - rather than address all of the additional points that have been raised, let me relate my experience with your company.
I retired from my flight deck positin 2 years ago now and now live in southern Europe. I use the low cost airlines quite regularly but will not knowingly use Ryanair again because I do think that their cabin staff leave a lot to be desired.
Last October, I listened to the worst cabin safety briefing that I have ever heard. It was sloppy, out of synch with the spoken commentary and given with no enthusism whatsoever.
This was after I had pointed out to the cabin staff that the seat in front of me would not return to the upright position and yet still was given to a passenger. He spent the whole yourney reclining. My coments were accepted with a shrug of the shoulders. Next I studied the safety card. It was for a different mark of 737 and did not show the correct number of emergency exits.. Again this was brought to the attention of the cabin crew supervisor who looked as me as though I had just landed from the moon.
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Faire d'income,
No argument on that one as I know a good number of people who joined Intel who would never and could never leave.
I think the government has to weigh up on the one hand the enormous number of high value jobs the likes of Intel, HP, Microsoft and of course the financial services sector have brought to the Irish economy and on the other hand other industrial relations issues that may exist in other industries.
From a purely financial point of view: who has made the Republic's economy the powerhouse it is today? It's the high value employers. The high value employers don't want the rules to change: whether it's labour rules or corporation tax rules.
Might not be fair for some but that's the way it is.
No argument on that one as I know a good number of people who joined Intel who would never and could never leave.
I think the government has to weigh up on the one hand the enormous number of high value jobs the likes of Intel, HP, Microsoft and of course the financial services sector have brought to the Irish economy and on the other hand other industrial relations issues that may exist in other industries.
From a purely financial point of view: who has made the Republic's economy the powerhouse it is today? It's the high value employers. The high value employers don't want the rules to change: whether it's labour rules or corporation tax rules.
Might not be fair for some but that's the way it is.
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Bear11, as you say you can have your opinion and I can have mine, but you seem to keep changing the subject when the facts don’t support your opinion. As the coincidence would have it, the very point I made was endorsed the morning after I made my post by front page news. You are now talking about “union recognition” – which is even further removed from the subject. Here again, it is a matter of fact that, (a) union recognition is not an entitlement under Irish law, (b) it cannot be granted under the 2001 Act, and even more significantly, (c) IALPA has repeatedly stated that “union recognition” is NOT an objective.
You have clearly been propagandised by Ryanair who have consistently said that the argument in Dublin IS about “union recognition” or “union recognition by the back door” (which is a much more telling phrase). These claims are just plain wrong. You cannot be granted union recognition in Ireland. You do have the right of association. That’s it.
In fact, to return to the general subject of this tread, I heard somebody from IALPA say something to the effect that the entire dispute is ultimately about “respect” and the entitlement to work in a suitable workplace environment. The fact that such aspirations are considered appropriate and necessary is telling in itself.
You have clearly been propagandised by Ryanair who have consistently said that the argument in Dublin IS about “union recognition” or “union recognition by the back door” (which is a much more telling phrase). These claims are just plain wrong. You cannot be granted union recognition in Ireland. You do have the right of association. That’s it.
In fact, to return to the general subject of this tread, I heard somebody from IALPA say something to the effect that the entire dispute is ultimately about “respect” and the entitlement to work in a suitable workplace environment. The fact that such aspirations are considered appropriate and necessary is telling in itself.
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Somehow Ryanair never seems to go away. Latest news seems to involve:
Fatigued pilot
Ryanair Investigation
Demotion of pilot
Sending out of message to all who need to know
Possibility that we are about to witness a major row
An airline that believes that it operates above and beyond .....
Only one question ... can anyone confirm if this story has any substance?
Fatigued pilot
Ryanair Investigation
Demotion of pilot
Sending out of message to all who need to know
Possibility that we are about to witness a major row
An airline that believes that it operates above and beyond .....
Only one question ... can anyone confirm if this story has any substance?
I rest my case. Furthermore, I was spending 110 million 1984 OZ dollars on maintenance in 1984. For a comparable size airline, arguably with a mature fleet that included a heavy maintenance operation. This airline is spending 14 million euros a year? What happens when its aircraft age? I do not believe their position is sustainable on a purely financial ( not safety) basis because the company's accounts do not appear to have a provision for the (eventual) heavy maintenance checks.
I would welcome anyone who can correct me on this.
I would welcome anyone who can correct me on this.
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Sean, if its people having a go at the airline you enjoy working for then get over it. No matter what major airline one works for, whenever their name appears in pprune there are going to be a large number of people intent on shooting them down. You just need to look at postings about Easyjet and BA for example. Mind you, I would beleive whatever you read about QR!!! 
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Try to fly with one of these airlines:
Airlines with no fatal event since 1970
Avoid the airlines with the high rate of accidents:
Fatal events airlines since 1970
Airlines with no fatal event since 1970
Avoid the airlines with the high rate of accidents:
Fatal events airlines since 1970
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Sunfish - Not so much a correction – but a point / clarification.
The 73NG can be maintained vastly differently to a Classic – as I’m sure you know it’s the Airlines Maintenance Schedule that needs to followed, this being based on the Boeing MPD.
Whereas classic were normally done on a “Blocked Schedule” (A, C, D) the NG is more often done on a “Phased” (parts of C done as time allows – total of say 4 phases = C done) or even IAW with the exact intervals given in the MPD which you can call “Progressive” with a couple of dozen different intervals.
So while at some stage they will be faced with increased costs it is easier to “spread” these costs than it was on a Classic – this of course being dependant on what exactly the MS requires.
Point of interest may be that I understand that Phasing checks works well for new planes – but Blocked is generally better for “older” planes.
The 73NG can be maintained vastly differently to a Classic – as I’m sure you know it’s the Airlines Maintenance Schedule that needs to followed, this being based on the Boeing MPD.
Whereas classic were normally done on a “Blocked Schedule” (A, C, D) the NG is more often done on a “Phased” (parts of C done as time allows – total of say 4 phases = C done) or even IAW with the exact intervals given in the MPD which you can call “Progressive” with a couple of dozen different intervals.
So while at some stage they will be faced with increased costs it is easier to “spread” these costs than it was on a Classic – this of course being dependant on what exactly the MS requires.
Point of interest may be that I understand that Phasing checks works well for new planes – but Blocked is generally better for “older” planes.
