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I didn`t think terms and conditions at bmi could be worse. Cabin Crew flight pay was £1.07 an hour when I left in 98. I have heard that its more sensible now days. Long days 6 on 2 /3 off, 4 sectors, roster instability.
If the word "co-ordinator" appears anywhere, never touch the job, because that word at bmi mean you do it for love of the company and not for your bank account.
Then there is the Task Force Team....
Its all coming back........aaahhhhhhhhh <img src="eek.gif" border="0">
If the word "co-ordinator" appears anywhere, never touch the job, because that word at bmi mean you do it for love of the company and not for your bank account.
Then there is the Task Force Team....
Its all coming back........aaahhhhhhhhh <img src="eek.gif" border="0">
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"Low cost" pay scales are not necessarily worse. At least as far as flight deck are concerned, sector pay does very nicely as a substitute for basic salary, and has the business advantage of rewarding productivity.
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Speaking of body mass index, Buster, try visiting <a href="http://www.fly-bmi.com" target="_blank">www.fly-bmi.com</a> as opposed to <a href="http://www.flybmi.com" target="_blank">www.flybmi.com</a> . It's worth it for the giggle...
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Delighted to see bmi has taken the initiative from Go.
As to the future, I should have thought that bmi has lower costs already out of EMA because their infrastructure is already in place and proven. That includes engineering and admin. Let's see how much it costs Go in handling fees and support when the summer trade slackens off and the bills still need to be paid.
Perhaps "low-cost" wages are not such problem; you will have a number of Boeing qualified pilots who will quite happily accept the EMA base and sector pay in lieu of London Weighting and the perpetual grind round the M25.
Good luck to bmi and, for the sake of the (rapidly reducing!) 109, a success.
As to the future, I should have thought that bmi has lower costs already out of EMA because their infrastructure is already in place and proven. That includes engineering and admin. Let's see how much it costs Go in handling fees and support when the summer trade slackens off and the bills still need to be paid.
Perhaps "low-cost" wages are not such problem; you will have a number of Boeing qualified pilots who will quite happily accept the EMA base and sector pay in lieu of London Weighting and the perpetual grind round the M25.
Good luck to bmi and, for the sake of the (rapidly reducing!) 109, a success.
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Kieron Daly's article is a little inaccurate!
bmi has not grounded any 737's, only A321's and a single A330. The 737's for the low cost will become available due to new A320's being delivered and exisiting A321's being reactivated for the summer schedule.
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bmi has not grounded any 737's, only A321's and a single A330. The 737's for the low cost will become available due to new A320's being delivered and exisiting A321's being reactivated for the summer schedule.
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Exile from Groggs,
Your point about sector pay rewarding productivity is a very valid one...
However, it does have the unfortunate side-effect of penalising lack of productivity -and sadly it isn't always down to the crews themselves....
3 days work a month won't pay the bills....
Fingers crossed all round.
Best wishes
Calltheball
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Your point about sector pay rewarding productivity is a very valid one...
However, it does have the unfortunate side-effect of penalising lack of productivity -and sadly it isn't always down to the crews themselves....
3 days work a month won't pay the bills....
Fingers crossed all round.
Best wishes
Calltheball
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So, guys?
We show a bit of pro-activity in the face of a bold challenge from GO, and we get a verbal kicking for it.
When "baby bmi" succeeds in it's aim to provide a realistic competition to GO, then those detractors can come crawling back and grovel...
Reports of our demise were somewhat exaggerated...
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Bring on the Bish ! <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> <img src="smile.gif" border="0">
We show a bit of pro-activity in the face of a bold challenge from GO, and we get a verbal kicking for it.
When "baby bmi" succeeds in it's aim to provide a realistic competition to GO, then those detractors can come crawling back and grovel...
Reports of our demise were somewhat exaggerated...
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Bring on the Bish ! <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> <img src="smile.gif" border="0"> <img src="smile.gif" border="0">
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Earth calling Peter Skellan, Earth calling Peter Skellan!!!
What planet are you from, please tell as I would like to give it a miss on my cosmic travels.
How you can possibly compare bmi with BA is a complete mystery to myself, and I would imagine to most of my fellow earthlings.
"e.g. Tomorrow BA announce its going to start a new low cost division called Baby BA at Gatwick and they have 8 737's in the paintshop as we speak. They announce that Baby BA is going to fly 90% of the same routes that easyJet have announced they will start flying in 2 months time."
As Guv pointed out BA did and it is called GO.
"Every man Jack here would be up in arms accusing BA of trying to drive easyJet out of Gatwick. People would start banging on about putting Laker and Danair out of business and point knowing fingers at the Virgin dirty tricks fiasco."
bmi to my knowledge has never abused its market position, a position that has been built up over many years without any state hand outs or been gifted a dominent position at one of the largest airports in Europe.
"Go certainly has a much much stronger brand than Baby BMI or whatever they will be called. I'm sure Sir Bishop has deep pockets. He will need them."
GO had no branding approx. three years ago and baby bmi has not even got airbourne yet, so I think you're stating the obvious for the present.
It would appear the basis for your posting would be a belief that long founded companys should roll over and die when a new kid on the block turns up. Strange.
If you have a Earth bank account please post your account number and sort code as I would like to make a donation to your rocket fuel account, just to get you on your way again!
What planet are you from, please tell as I would like to give it a miss on my cosmic travels.
How you can possibly compare bmi with BA is a complete mystery to myself, and I would imagine to most of my fellow earthlings.
"e.g. Tomorrow BA announce its going to start a new low cost division called Baby BA at Gatwick and they have 8 737's in the paintshop as we speak. They announce that Baby BA is going to fly 90% of the same routes that easyJet have announced they will start flying in 2 months time."
As Guv pointed out BA did and it is called GO.
"Every man Jack here would be up in arms accusing BA of trying to drive easyJet out of Gatwick. People would start banging on about putting Laker and Danair out of business and point knowing fingers at the Virgin dirty tricks fiasco."
bmi to my knowledge has never abused its market position, a position that has been built up over many years without any state hand outs or been gifted a dominent position at one of the largest airports in Europe.
"Go certainly has a much much stronger brand than Baby BMI or whatever they will be called. I'm sure Sir Bishop has deep pockets. He will need them."
GO had no branding approx. three years ago and baby bmi has not even got airbourne yet, so I think you're stating the obvious for the present.
It would appear the basis for your posting would be a belief that long founded companys should roll over and die when a new kid on the block turns up. Strange.
If you have a Earth bank account please post your account number and sort code as I would like to make a donation to your rocket fuel account, just to get you on your way again!
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Letter in post this am. says that the 2 737s will come from LHR, to be replaced by 2 of the 'redundant' A320/321s.
The letter is also recruiting internally for transfers - this should hopefully create a reduction in the final number of pilot redundancies (20)...good news.
Also means that us on the bus might now get a Madrid nightstop or two
The letter is also recruiting internally for transfers - this should hopefully create a reduction in the final number of pilot redundancies (20)...good news.
Also means that us on the bus might now get a Madrid nightstop or two
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bmi already have a low cost airline called bmi regional with a base at EMA. I doubt you could give Pilots and Cabin Crew a worse deal or treat employees worse or think so little of them, or employ so many non nationals, bmi could transfer 737's to regional and offer jobs to the 40 odd 146 guys and girls made redundant on Dec 31, but then balpa would cry wouldn't they.
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Ladies, when you've had quite enough popping and whining, reflect that jobs are jobs no matter what the colour of paint on the side of the machine. Now put your handbags away and if you're fortunate enough not to have lost your job like me so far.....enjoy. <img src="wink.gif" border="0">
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Funny post Wooof. It must be a Saturday! For my part, I have difficulty understanding the detractors who for some reason seem to think that a commercial response from bmi is inappropriate, and any predatory action by GO, Easy or other low cost airline is somehow sacrosanct. bmi has every right to change shape, size, business model or whatever it wants to in order to survive and prosper in business. And there is one thing I am sure about, bmi WILL survive and prosper.
Have a nice weekend everyone.
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Have a nice weekend everyone.
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autobrake 3, you're wrong about any job being better than no job, if you take that argument to its extreme you have the situation where people are paying money to be able to work. Examples in the past, flying instructors paying flying clubs to instruct back in the early 1990's or many of the deals offered to new pilots at Gill or Cityflyer a few years ago, where you paid for your training and then some. The point is that you can accept inferior working conditions if you can see a way forward to better things(ie BMIR rates leading to Mainline rates in the future)BABY BMI is more likly to be a long term job and if you start on crap pay, thats what youve got to look fotward to for the rest of your career. Added to that bad conditions make for an unhappy workplace,which since we spend more than a third of our lives there, is a pretty poor prospect.
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Speaking as one of the 146 crew made redundant on 31 Dec', I would like a job. Baby BMI would be nice and so would GO. If both ventures succeed, then there are more pilots employed, which is good news for us all.
Will Stuart be fleet Manager?
Will Stuart be fleet Manager?