Pilot rebels against security check
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Pilot rebels against security check
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One of the pilots of flight DY742 from Oslo to Trondheim this morning, refused to be security checked. He proceeded to the aircraft with security staff trying to stop him, and boarded.
Pax were off-loaded, made to go through security again and then re-boarded on another AC.
The pilot's OSL ID had been withdrawn and he has consequently been grounded. He has made a statement to his chief pilot , but Norwegian has not declared why the pilot took this unusual action.
One of the pilots of flight DY742 from Oslo to Trondheim this morning, refused to be security checked. He proceeded to the aircraft with security staff trying to stop him, and boarded.
Pax were off-loaded, made to go through security again and then re-boarded on another AC.
The pilot's OSL ID had been withdrawn and he has consequently been grounded. He has made a statement to his chief pilot , but Norwegian has not declared why the pilot took this unusual action.
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So, because you can't think of a justification, the pilot must be a moron.
Let's see .....
"refused to be security checked"
Whose version of events is that? The pilot? The security man? The journalist who wrote the story?
Refused to be checked at all?
Or to the satisfaction of the security man - who may have been sensible and reasonable, or silly and unreasonable.
Maybe the pilot reacted rashly out of sheer frustration at an over-zealous check?
Even if he did, does that make him a moron?
Unwise, yes. But a moron?
Not IMHO.
I have to put up with security checks in my job, and they are no more than time-wasting window-dressing which does nothing to improve security. Some security men are reasonable, others aren't and undoubtedly enjoy their 'power'. The quickest way through with those is to pretend you don't mind in the slightest and have all the time in the world to spare. If they detect the slightest hint of irritation in voice or expression, the time it takes at least triples.
So, because you can't think of a justification, the pilot must be a moron.
Let's see .....
"refused to be security checked"
Whose version of events is that? The pilot? The security man? The journalist who wrote the story?
Refused to be checked at all?
Or to the satisfaction of the security man - who may have been sensible and reasonable, or silly and unreasonable.
Maybe the pilot reacted rashly out of sheer frustration at an over-zealous check?
Even if he did, does that make him a moron?
Unwise, yes. But a moron?
Not IMHO.
I have to put up with security checks in my job, and they are no more than time-wasting window-dressing which does nothing to improve security. Some security men are reasonable, others aren't and undoubtedly enjoy their 'power'. The quickest way through with those is to pretend you don't mind in the slightest and have all the time in the world to spare. If they detect the slightest hint of irritation in voice or expression, the time it takes at least triples.
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You can't beat the system. It doesn't matter how frustrated you get or how obnoxious the security staff are, there will only be one loser. Chances are, he will lose his job and access to security passes for the sake of this incident. Sorry, but I will go with the moron statement.
Been a moron myself a couple of times, got away with it thank god........
Been a moron myself a couple of times, got away with it thank god........
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Airport security unfortunately has alot to be desired.
I was extremely shocked to find that after going through a security check, on the other side I could find a pair of scissors on the counter in the retail shop.
After reporting the incident to the security manager, his response was that, well they should be looked after by the staff of the retail shop. I wonder how long it would have taken for the retail staff to realise that the scissors had gone missing. I think it would have been enough time for someone to get onto a plane and out of there, then what are they going to do... close the whole airport down?
I honestly think that security needs to be beefed up, and if I was a pilot, wouldn't especially like to know that everytime I flew, there was a potential for a problem. I would be expecting that there would be zero chance of anything getting onto that aircraft.
I was extremely shocked to find that after going through a security check, on the other side I could find a pair of scissors on the counter in the retail shop.
After reporting the incident to the security manager, his response was that, well they should be looked after by the staff of the retail shop. I wonder how long it would have taken for the retail staff to realise that the scissors had gone missing. I think it would have been enough time for someone to get onto a plane and out of there, then what are they going to do... close the whole airport down?
I honestly think that security needs to be beefed up, and if I was a pilot, wouldn't especially like to know that everytime I flew, there was a potential for a problem. I would be expecting that there would be zero chance of anything getting onto that aircraft.
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For all of you who are getting fed up with security checks on you whilst you are on duty, I recommend you try and do a Gander slip.
There, they have a most tasty young lady who gives you the pad down. Well, they did this morning, at least.
Makes a difference from the miserable (male) gits we usually have to endure, who I suspect would have their day made if they thought they could smell even a sherry trifle on us.
There, they have a most tasty young lady who gives you the pad down. Well, they did this morning, at least.
Makes a difference from the miserable (male) gits we usually have to endure, who I suspect would have their day made if they thought they could smell even a sherry trifle on us.
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I would have so much more time for critics of security gurads if they weren't accused of "enjoying the power"
Surprising as it may seem, some security staff are just doing their jobs and trying to do them properly. Pilots thinking that they are above security checks are not helping anybody (not just from this story, from posts on here ad nauseam)
Surprising as it may seem, some security staff are just doing their jobs and trying to do them properly. Pilots thinking that they are above security checks are not helping anybody (not just from this story, from posts on here ad nauseam)
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Pilot caught with plotting instruments in flight bag
At MAN last week, an FO in uniform and displaying a valid Security Pass was stopped and held for 10 minutes while the geniuses from Security debated the safety of the situation.
He was eventually released, still carrying compasses and dividers, to operate an ETOPS transatlantic flight.
Can the security world please use their common sense and intelligence to stop this sort of nonsense? Either the guy's ID was valid as checked, or not. In the event that he was sent through to the X-ray machine, he should have been ok to carry tools of the trade, nail scissors, a bottle opener, a screwdriver, or box cutters. After all, the pilot would end up seated only feet away from a "deadly" fire axe, and at the controls of an even "deadlier" 250-ton aircraft loaded with flammable Jet fuel.
Different and practical rules should apply for pilots, as opposed to passengers and maybe cabin crew, as they are already granted the full responsibility for safe operation of the flight.
(I am not diminishing the cabin crew's role here)
He was eventually released, still carrying compasses and dividers, to operate an ETOPS transatlantic flight.
Can the security world please use their common sense and intelligence to stop this sort of nonsense? Either the guy's ID was valid as checked, or not. In the event that he was sent through to the X-ray machine, he should have been ok to carry tools of the trade, nail scissors, a bottle opener, a screwdriver, or box cutters. After all, the pilot would end up seated only feet away from a "deadly" fire axe, and at the controls of an even "deadlier" 250-ton aircraft loaded with flammable Jet fuel.
Different and practical rules should apply for pilots, as opposed to passengers and maybe cabin crew, as they are already granted the full responsibility for safe operation of the flight.
(I am not diminishing the cabin crew's role here)
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Has anyone had thier mag light taken yet? I now carry the cheapest thing that will meet my company requirement so if its taken at least I am not out the 30 bucks the mag cost.
I agree with the previous post since all aircrew has already undergone a 10 year back ground check I think we should be given a little more lattitude on what we carry. From flash lights to the dreaded finger nail clipper with the nail file.
I agree with the previous post since all aircrew has already undergone a 10 year back ground check I think we should be given a little more lattitude on what we carry. From flash lights to the dreaded finger nail clipper with the nail file.
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that would obviously require an amout of common sense and not the current 'jobs worth' attitude.
Those who make the rules obviously dont get out much!!
Never mind the duty free glass bottles brought on board or myriad of 'items' that can be bought in duty free before boarding. Nice one!
Those who make the rules obviously dont get out much!!
Never mind the duty free glass bottles brought on board or myriad of 'items' that can be bought in duty free before boarding. Nice one!
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Re Mr Chips post,
Surely its quite simple, or at least should be, weather you are Crew, Staff, Security whatever.
There should be & needs to be common courtesy, mutual respect, tact & patience from all parties concerned when going through security. I do however appreciate that, often this is much easier said than done. A quick` good morning` from both parties before the sucurity screening takes place, would at least help to lower any tension & help you move to the aircraft feeling just that little more relaxed.
Ideal world I know folks, but it may be well worth a try, needs participation from all concerned though
Surely its quite simple, or at least should be, weather you are Crew, Staff, Security whatever.
There should be & needs to be common courtesy, mutual respect, tact & patience from all parties concerned when going through security. I do however appreciate that, often this is much easier said than done. A quick` good morning` from both parties before the sucurity screening takes place, would at least help to lower any tension & help you move to the aircraft feeling just that little more relaxed.
Ideal world I know folks, but it may be well worth a try, needs participation from all concerned though
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since all aircrew has already undergone a 10 year back ground check
Do you think that ATCO's should be accorded this privilege as well? We have to undergo a full UK Security check, sign the official secrets act etc... I am sure there are plenty of jobs that would qualify under this idea?
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The Captain passed through the metal detector and got green light. Security guards said he walked too fast and asked him to go through again. He did and got green again. Guards still maintained he had walked too fast and asked him to pass through for the thrid time.
He refused.
The AC had started taxiing when it was called back by the tower and told to return to the gate. It did. Once there, pilots requested and got new clearance, which they recieved. Taxied out again and were called back again.
Pax off loaded.
The company's union rep states that the Captain concerned does not recognise the description of the event as given by the security staff, and that the whole thing is a storm in a teacup.
The company refuses to comment beyond saying that they want to get to the bottom of this and that the Captain is grounded until they do.
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The Captain passed through the metal detector and got green light. Security guards said he walked too fast and asked him to go through again. He did and got green again. Guards still maintained he had walked too fast and asked him to pass through for the thrid time.
He refused.
The AC had started taxiing when it was called back by the tower and told to return to the gate. It did. Once there, pilots requested and got new clearance, which they recieved. Taxied out again and were called back again.
Pax off loaded.
The company's union rep states that the Captain concerned does not recognise the description of the event as given by the security staff, and that the whole thing is a storm in a teacup.
The company refuses to comment beyond saying that they want to get to the bottom of this and that the Captain is grounded until they do.
Well, good luck to the captain and I hope these bottom-fondling failed wheel-clamping security jobsworths are given a hearty Viking kick up the backside and told to stop being so bloody childish.
Time that someone stood up against these little Hitlers with their 'Befehl ist Befehl' attitude.
Time that someone stood up against these little Hitlers with their 'Befehl ist Befehl' attitude.
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flapsforty, I object to your trying to confuse the issue by introducing relevant facts.
We were just getting on fine with the speculation and meanderings around the subject without your coming along with this bolt from out of the blue. Quite ruins the way the thread was developing.
It is surely clear to all objective readers that this is just a petty attempt to embarass the ever wise eal401 - and just because he suggest that the pilot was a "moron" who had "little justification for his action". Shame on you.
We were just getting on fine with the speculation and meanderings around the subject without your coming along with this bolt from out of the blue. Quite ruins the way the thread was developing.
It is surely clear to all objective readers that this is just a petty attempt to embarass the ever wise eal401 - and just because he suggest that the pilot was a "moron" who had "little justification for his action". Shame on you.
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From a previous post responding to eal401
Not a million miles from what happened, it seems. 
eal401
So, because you can't think of a justification, the pilot must be a moron.
Let's see .....
"refused to be security checked"
Whose version of events is that? The pilot? The security man? The journalist who wrote the story?
Refused to be checked at all?
Or to the satisfaction of the security man - who may have been sensible and reasonable, or silly and unreasonable.
Maybe the pilot reacted rashly out of sheer frustration at an over-zealous check?
So, because you can't think of a justification, the pilot must be a moron.
Let's see .....
"refused to be security checked"
Whose version of events is that? The pilot? The security man? The journalist who wrote the story?
Refused to be checked at all?
Or to the satisfaction of the security man - who may have been sensible and reasonable, or silly and unreasonable.
Maybe the pilot reacted rashly out of sheer frustration at an over-zealous check?