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Old 15th Oct 2004, 10:14
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Pinnacle Airlines aircraft incident

Just found this on the internet! any more information out there??


Update Regarding Pinnacle Airlines aircraft incident
No Passengers involved

Pinnacle Airlines (NASDAQ: PNCL), Memphis, Tenn. October 15, 2004

A Pinnacle Airlines repositioning flight was involved in an accident at approximately 10:30 p.m. Central Time near Jefferson City, MO. This flight was operated using a Canadair Regional Jet (CRJ). The aircraft was crewed by a Captain and First Officer. Because the aircraft was repositioning, there were no passengers or flight attendant aboard. Pinnacle Airlines emergency personnel are enroute. There has been no confirmation regarding the status of the crew.

Pinnacle Airlines will update its web-site, www.nwairlink.com, with information regarding this incident, as it becomes available. For further information, you may contact Philip Reed, Vice-president, Marketing at 901.348.4257.

Pinnacle Airlines, Inc., operates under the name Northwest Airlink and provides service to destinations in the United States and Canada. Pinnacle operates an all-jet fleet of Canadair 44 and 50-seat Regional Jets from Northwest hubs at Detroit, Memphis and Minneapolis - St. Paul. Pinnacle Airlines maintains its headquarters in Memphis, Tenn., and employs more than 2,800 People.



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Old 15th Oct 2004, 11:28
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Story on this link.Prayers and thoughts to the crews families.

http://www.newstribune.com/articles/...ws/break04.txt
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Old 15th Oct 2004, 12:04
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The end of a truly remarkable unblemished safety record for the CRJ in the states.....
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Old 15th Oct 2004, 13:40
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according to the press the CRJ can only hold 20-40 pax !!!

So that makes a 747, and a CRJ in 24 hours. Anyone know of a 3rd incident? Strange how often they go in threes.
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Positioning flights...and problems

These positioning flights can (and will continue to be) more incident prone than revenue service.

Some crews are more relaxed (SOP-wise) and (can be) inattentive during positioning flights, and a very few will 'experiment'...as in, 'I wonder just what would happen if we did this...', which ain't a good idea at all.

Not necessarily connected with the aforementioned accident, however...I hope.
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Old 15th Oct 2004, 16:25
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The latest rumor is that it was a CRJ 200, i.e. the newer model. DTW-based crew.
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Only time in my life that everyone in the cockpit fell asleep at the same time was on a "positioning" flight as these are often done under "part 91" which essentially places them outside of all flight and duty time limitations....

sympathies to the families involved.

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Old 15th Oct 2004, 21:43
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Once again - I'm offering condolences to the families of the lost crew.

Does anyone know what happened - from the photo it looks like it was a semi-controlled 'arrival'.

Sometimes this industry really sucks.....
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Well - I have to say, it looks like the crew did one hell of a job bringing it down in a residentual area between houses, with what appears to be - very little damage (to homes and people).

God rest their souls.
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The URL seems to change often at the newspaper's site. It might be easier to link from their homepage at http://www.newstribune.com/

A map of the scene: http://tinyurl.com/6tpd9

An aerial photograph of the same area (1995): http://terraserver.microsoft.com/ima...=5333&z=15&w=1


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Old 16th Oct 2004, 07:32
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Plane Crashes in Missouri, Killing Pilots

By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS

Published: October 16, 2004

Filed at 12:17 a.m. ET

JEFFERSON CITY, Mo. (AP) -- A small jet crashed in a residential area, killing the only two people aboard, airline officials said Friday. The plane had aborted an earlier scheduled takeoff because of an apparent mechanical problem.

Federal investigators said Friday the regional jet affiliated with Northwest Airlines had aborted a scheduled flight Thursday from Little Rock, Ark., after an indicator light went on for a mechanical system that distributes engine heat throughout the plane. An airplane indicator light typically signifies a problem.

After undergoing maintenance, the 50-seat Pinnacle Airlines plane was being flown without passengers to Minneapolis when its engines failed late Thursday and it crashed into a residential area in Missouri's capital city, killing the two pilots. No residents were hurt.

While noting the previous mechanical problem, National Transportation Safety Board member Carol Carmody said: ``We're not going to speculate on what the causes are'' for the crash.

According to the NTSB, the plane reached 41,000 feet before it stalled and lost power from one engine. At 13,000 feet, the second engine quit. The last contact air traffic controllers had with the plane was at 9,000 feet, when a pilot reported an airport beacon in sight, Carmody said.

The crash site is about two miles from the Jefferson City airport.

Pinnacle Airlines, based in Memphis, Tenn., identified the pilots as Capt. Jesse Rhodes, of Palm Harbor, Fla., and First Officer Peter Cesarz, of Helotes, Texas. Carmody said earlier Friday the pilots' bodies had not been recovered, but that there was ``no doubt'' they had died.

Carmody said NTSB investigators planned to move the engines to an airport hangar Saturday for closer evaluation. Authorities also had recovered the flight data recorder.

Jason Turner, a spokesman for the Jefferson City Fire Department, said the plane appeared to have crashed into ``a garage of some type,'' which was destroyed. The rear of a neighboring house also caught on fire.

At the crash scene, the cockpit was separated by about 70 yards from a large chunk of the fuselage and was so shattered that it could be difficult to recover the plane's instruments, Carmody said.

On Friday, residents marveled at how the plane had managed to miss houses to its left, right and rear. Across the street was an untouched apartment complex.

``Oh boy, it's lucky it didn't hit the houses,'' said Kathryn Hajaved, 72, viewing the damage in daylight for the first time. ``They'll be thanking their God.''

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/nati...lane-Down.html
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[A]n indicator light went on for a mechanical system that distributes engine heat throughout the plane. An airplane indicator light typically signifies a problem.
Bleed leak, perhaps?
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One can't help but wonder what the FAA is going to do about regional airline maintenance after this accident. First two Beech 1900s have fatal accidents and now this. Quality control at regional airline maintenance centers needs a thorough review.

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Old 17th Oct 2004, 18:46
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Investigators from the National Transportation Safety Bureau released new details in Thursday night's crash of a Northwest Airlink jet that was heading to the Twin Cities.

The NTSB now says that both engines of the 50-seat CRJ failed at the same time while the plane was cruising at an altitude of 41,000 feet. Earlier reports showed the two engines failed at different times.

Investigators say the fact that both engines failed at the same time could indicate a major power failure aboard the plane. Investigators say the pilots glided for nearly 100-miles without power before crashing into a neighborhood in Jefferson City, Missouri. No one on the ground was injured.

5 EYEWITNESS NEWS has also learned that the same jet was taking off from Little Rock, Arkansas earlier Thursday when it had to abort. We now know that flight was headed to the Twin Cities with 40-passengers aboard. Those passengers were placed on another aircraft.

The pilots were flying the jet to the Twin Cities Thursday night, where it would have gone back into service for flights out of Minnesota. The pilot and co-pilot were killed in the crash. The investigation into what caused the crash continues.
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Old 17th Oct 2004, 19:23
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And what makes you think that regional airline maintenance is any different than major airline maintenance?
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Quality control at regional airline maintenance centers needs a thorough review.
You can't be serious ...

Are the CRJs' engines FADEC controlled? Wasn't there an emergency AD a few months/years ago either on the regional jet or on the corporate version - the challenger - regarding fuel pumps?

Rumour has it that the captain was an ex-Waterskier.

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This CRJ model is not FADEC equipped.
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Wow - why would one lose both engines at high (?41k?)altitude?

Fuel starvation? Icing related - seems too high to have icing issues - airflow/oxygen issues maybe!

This will be a very interesting investigation...sadly

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Contaminated fuel?
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....or no fuel ??
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