BA CSD's salary revealed in Daily telegraph
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... for those of us who've joined in the last 5 years and for all the swathe of new recruits, BA is getting us at a rate very close to the Cabin Crew national average.
Including other costs and grossing up, the cost of employing a BA cabin crew member is now averaging roughly double the cost of a Virgin cabin crew member's employment costs. There are 13,000+ BA cabin crew employees.
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AndyPandy -
Um, no I'm not. The destination payments aren't a reward for flying to certain destinations. A reward is a one-off or somewhat ad-hoc benefit that you're given. The destination payments are a salaried allowance for operating on a certain route.
There is a huge difference.
The Hotline tickets WERE a reward. A one-off, ad-hoc gift to say "thanks" for dealing with the hard times. Hard times that, if I may be so bold as to say, I feel a very small minority of the ground crew brought on themselves.
Very odd, wasn't it, that there is a sudden TWO DAY staff shortage (that hit the headlines) only a day or two after the unions accepted an offer from British Airways that had previously been turned down? It's speculated that un-official striking caused the problems that the staff are now being rewarded for dealing with.
I have the utmost respect for my colleauges on the ground but don't feel that the best way of the company sorting a staff-shortage crisis is to send the staff on a free holiday.
I'm not here to argue with you, Andy.
Also, there is a post above about a flight crew member being sent a Purser's pay slip. Let's just say that the same has happened in reverse. A member of cabin crew has been sent a member of flight crew's pay slip.
The flight crew member takes one in one month (with allowances/hourly rates etc) just short of my annual basic. I'm not saying that they don't deserve it - I personally feel that they do - I'm just saying that if you're going to have a go at cabin crew for earning too much (which we don't), you shouldn't just stop there.
Now you're arguing against yourself. You are employed to deal with the good times and the bad, as you said.
There is a huge difference.
The Hotline tickets WERE a reward. A one-off, ad-hoc gift to say "thanks" for dealing with the hard times. Hard times that, if I may be so bold as to say, I feel a very small minority of the ground crew brought on themselves.
Very odd, wasn't it, that there is a sudden TWO DAY staff shortage (that hit the headlines) only a day or two after the unions accepted an offer from British Airways that had previously been turned down? It's speculated that un-official striking caused the problems that the staff are now being rewarded for dealing with.
I have the utmost respect for my colleauges on the ground but don't feel that the best way of the company sorting a staff-shortage crisis is to send the staff on a free holiday.
I'm not here to argue with you, Andy.
Also, there is a post above about a flight crew member being sent a Purser's pay slip. Let's just say that the same has happened in reverse. A member of cabin crew has been sent a member of flight crew's pay slip.
The flight crew member takes one in one month (with allowances/hourly rates etc) just short of my annual basic. I'm not saying that they don't deserve it - I personally feel that they do - I'm just saying that if you're going to have a go at cabin crew for earning too much (which we don't), you shouldn't just stop there.
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Not quite the truth there sunshine...
The hard times were brought on by 3 aircraft having to be made u/s when the CAA refused to let them fly! Blame EWS for that.(Also the standby aircraft got driven into the hangar docking and badly damaged, but that's another story)
The result was 1000 pax dumped in the terminals and very little the ground staff could do about it. The knock-on effect was horrendous and we all read about it in the press.
To be fair to the ground staff at LHR, they deserve a thankyou.
Where it all falls down is that everyone in the airline got the hotline tickets no matter where they worked. MAN,GLA etc.
Except the engineers of course, as usual they got *uck all!
But there again the engineering director stood up and said "blame me" so that seems fair doesn't it?
Back to the thread.
I can't blame a CSD for getting a big wedge every month, I would be doing the same if I got half a chance.
However, I can blame BA for letting the unskilled staff get massive incremental pay rises over the years and ensuring that they lost the skilled staff to better paying airlines.
Hard times that, if I may be so bold as to say, I feel a very small minority of the ground crew brought on themselves.
The hard times were brought on by 3 aircraft having to be made u/s when the CAA refused to let them fly! Blame EWS for that.(Also the standby aircraft got driven into the hangar docking and badly damaged, but that's another story)
The result was 1000 pax dumped in the terminals and very little the ground staff could do about it. The knock-on effect was horrendous and we all read about it in the press.
To be fair to the ground staff at LHR, they deserve a thankyou.
Where it all falls down is that everyone in the airline got the hotline tickets no matter where they worked. MAN,GLA etc.
Except the engineers of course, as usual they got *uck all!
But there again the engineering director stood up and said "blame me" so that seems fair doesn't it?
Back to the thread.
I can't blame a CSD for getting a big wedge every month, I would be doing the same if I got half a chance.
However, I can blame BA for letting the unskilled staff get massive incremental pay rises over the years and ensuring that they lost the skilled staff to better paying airlines.
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What hasn't been mentioned here is of interest itself. A lot has been made in this thread that BA new entrant Cabin Crew are on new lower contracts. Nobody has actually said that after so many years (not that many), their basic pay rate rises to match the famous old contract pay levels that we have come to see since last Saturday- ie they will all eventually be on this sort of money. It is only a temporary alleviation.
So as you see, it's not a temporary alleaviation after all...
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I recall conversations about the New Cabin Crew rates where it was admitted that eventually (somewhere between 12-16 years?) they would rise to match old contract rates. I shall ask around.
There is an enthralled conversation going on in the BA BALPA forum. Pilots cannot believe what is happening. Try this:
One pilot compares pay for hours flown... c/crew rostering practices (minimum 3 day mbtr etc) means that l/haul c/crew fly appx 500hrs per annum so now when you divide that 60k csd earnings and compare with the 90k (but 850hr) pay point 14 l/haul skipper guess who's on the better hourly rate....and has a better homelife, more inflight rest?. He goes on: the F/O last trip had a chat with the club purser who confessed to taking home £6k recently (by his own admission a 'rare' one off - but how many pilots under pp15 can match that even as a one off?
Similarly the other F/O has a purser wife who is 50% part time so if she is rostered a trip that returns on day 28 her first rostered item is...... 3 days MBTR
There we have it- £6k in one month for a cabin attendant......any advances? Hurry up, BA can't stay in business much longer at these rates!
There is an enthralled conversation going on in the BA BALPA forum. Pilots cannot believe what is happening. Try this:
One pilot compares pay for hours flown... c/crew rostering practices (minimum 3 day mbtr etc) means that l/haul c/crew fly appx 500hrs per annum so now when you divide that 60k csd earnings and compare with the 90k (but 850hr) pay point 14 l/haul skipper guess who's on the better hourly rate....and has a better homelife, more inflight rest?. He goes on: the F/O last trip had a chat with the club purser who confessed to taking home £6k recently (by his own admission a 'rare' one off - but how many pilots under pp15 can match that even as a one off?
Similarly the other F/O has a purser wife who is 50% part time so if she is rostered a trip that returns on day 28 her first rostered item is...... 3 days MBTR
There we have it- £6k in one month for a cabin attendant......any advances? Hurry up, BA can't stay in business much longer at these rates!
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£48000, i wish i was near this, all i do is fix BA's aircraft and certifiy work for futher flight. Sign my name a few times a day. So ill never be worth this ammount of money.
Hovis: were getting the Hotline Tickets too im glad to say now.
Hovis: were getting the Hotline Tickets too im glad to say now.
LHR may well be getting them but no other station within Engineering will be.
Unlike dispatch, check in, Didsbury call center etc.
Message to BA management...
If you are going to offer an incentive to staff that "go the extra mile" make sure it is them and ONLY them that receive it, idiots!!!
Unlike dispatch, check in, Didsbury call center etc.
Message to BA management...
If you are going to offer an incentive to staff that "go the extra mile" make sure it is them and ONLY them that receive it, idiots!!!
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Take with a pinch of salt the salary figure mentioned in the newspaper.
As this article and the one my BA cabin crew girlfriend did a few years ago are subject to a REVIEW by BA before publication.
The salary mentioned in my girlfriends article was increased
to make the job more attractive to potential new recruits reading it!
As this article and the one my BA cabin crew girlfriend did a few years ago are subject to a REVIEW by BA before publication.
The salary mentioned in my girlfriends article was increased
to make the job more attractive to potential new recruits reading it!
