Journalist takes “8 inch” knife aboard BA flight
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See it Here What a CLEVER idea!
Lets sneak a knife on an aircraft ,when we all know its illegal, so some estranged idiot in the seat next to him can grab it off the "reporter" and come up front and stab me in the neck! Great idea! lets show people it can be done shall we?
Tomorrows headlines: Pi$$ed off Pilot bashes idiot reporter round head with Jeppesen binder after journo heroically brings an AK47 on board " 'Cuz he can"
Lets sneak a knife on an aircraft ,when we all know its illegal, so some estranged idiot in the seat next to him can grab it off the "reporter" and come up front and stab me in the neck! Great idea! lets show people it can be done shall we?
Tomorrows headlines: Pi$$ed off Pilot bashes idiot reporter round head with Jeppesen binder after journo heroically brings an AK47 on board " 'Cuz he can"
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We took seats in business class of the Boeing 777, feet from the cockpit door
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To EZY
Very nicely said mate, problem though, through the stupidity of various organizations/managers round the world, the JEP will then be classified as a weapon and confiscated.
Oh well.
Cheers.
Very nicely said mate, problem though, through the stupidity of various organizations/managers round the world, the JEP will then be classified as a weapon and confiscated.
Oh well.
Cheers.
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I carry nail scissors through BAA security on most occasions that I travel without checking in hold baggage, which is most of the time. For obvious reasons I won't say how I get it through and although the blades on them are only about an inch long (but against BAA rules) I'm pretty sure I could get a much larger blade through using the same technique (which of course I wouldn't even attempt).
So what's really the point of the current security procedures? Meaningful screening to prevent a future terrorist attack or being seen to be doing something, however fallible it can be demonstrated to be...
So what's really the point of the current security procedures? Meaningful screening to prevent a future terrorist attack or being seen to be doing something, however fallible it can be demonstrated to be...
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So what's really the point of the current security procedures? Meaningful screening to prevent a future terrorist attack or being seen to be doing something, however fallible it can be demonstrated to be...
Security checks are partly to screen for prohibited items (obviously) and also largely as a deterrant to stop people who deliberately WANT to take things onto an aircraft, before they even try it.
Personally I get fed up of people I speak to who EXPECT Security to be 100% perfect everywhere, when anything that relies on human involvement, from the equipment design and manufacture, to operation and search procedures etc, etc, is NEVER 100%.
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Thought they were going to intoruce that x-ray machine that 'sees' through clothes and gives a decent picture of the person underneath and any potential weapons they may be carrying. Probably be a big hoo-haa about it thought because of 'invasion of privacy' - mind you, not too sure I'd like some bloke behind a security screen checking out my body!
Ok, so we shouldn't ever expect security to be 100% perfect, but I'd say getting a blade on board an a/c is a BIG failure.
Ok, so we shouldn't ever expect security to be 100% perfect, but I'd say getting a blade on board an a/c is a BIG failure.
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When are all these journo muppets 
and 'security experts' 
going to realise that it doesn't matter what you smuggle on board. The most important thing is THE INTENT to cause problems. The journo could have smuggled a 105mm Howitzer for all I could care. If his only intent was to have his stupid grinning face in the paper then big deal!
When are people going to realise that a knife, 3", 8" or whatever, is not necessary if someone really intends to take over a flight. A 1lt bottle of vodka from the Duty Free shop, smashed properly would make just as effective a weapon. In fact, why not purchase a bottle of expensive cognac as well and use that one as a molotov cocktail?
The issue of the F/D door is something else that would have to be tackled but without going into detail, may or may not be breachable. The issue though is the pathetic security systems that are in place to remove everyday objects yet at the same time there is almost no checking of the passengers intentions through professional and expert profiling. If, as according to some reports that a well aimed food cart will breach the F/D (which I don't believe) then why would any terrorist be stupid enough to try and smuggle a weapon aboard when they can purchase the tools they need once they are airside?
Passenger profiling, in conjunction with other sensible security screening, is the only way to reduce the risk of allowing anyone with the intent of taking over a flight from getting aboard in the first place. Everything else, flight deck doors, armed sky police etc. is a last resort and possibly too little too late.
Why isn't this in place? Beancounters and a tight fisted travelling public who have been so nannied by the state that they just expect everything to be in place automatically. Of course, this is not helped by puerile media sensationalising like the one this thread is about which fails miserably to grasp the notion that it is intent to use a weapon rather than just the weapon itself.
Maybe if it was an exploding knife, sensitive to barometric altitude I could understand the shock & horror but then we would never be so lucky as to have a tabloid journo risk improving the gene pool for the rest of society.
Sensationalist hype which is going to embarrass the management of the feeble security system that is nothing more than cosmetic camouflage.
and 'security experts' going to realise that it doesn't matter what you smuggle on board. The most important thing is THE INTENT to cause problems. The journo could have smuggled a 105mm Howitzer for all I could care. If his only intent was to have his stupid grinning face in the paper then big deal!When are people going to realise that a knife, 3", 8" or whatever, is not necessary if someone really intends to take over a flight. A 1lt bottle of vodka from the Duty Free shop, smashed properly would make just as effective a weapon. In fact, why not purchase a bottle of expensive cognac as well and use that one as a molotov cocktail?
The issue of the F/D door is something else that would have to be tackled but without going into detail, may or may not be breachable. The issue though is the pathetic security systems that are in place to remove everyday objects yet at the same time there is almost no checking of the passengers intentions through professional and expert profiling. If, as according to some reports that a well aimed food cart will breach the F/D (which I don't believe) then why would any terrorist be stupid enough to try and smuggle a weapon aboard when they can purchase the tools they need once they are airside?
Passenger profiling, in conjunction with other sensible security screening, is the only way to reduce the risk of allowing anyone with the intent of taking over a flight from getting aboard in the first place. Everything else, flight deck doors, armed sky police etc. is a last resort and possibly too little too late.
Why isn't this in place? Beancounters and a tight fisted travelling public who have been so nannied by the state that they just expect everything to be in place automatically. Of course, this is not helped by puerile media sensationalising like the one this thread is about which fails miserably to grasp the notion that it is intent to use a weapon rather than just the weapon itself.
Maybe if it was an exploding knife, sensitive to barometric altitude I could understand the shock & horror but then we would never be so lucky as to have a tabloid journo risk improving the gene pool for the rest of society.
Sensationalist hype which is going to embarrass the management of the feeble security system that is nothing more than cosmetic camouflage.
Put this book in the seatbacks
Anti-Hijack Book for Pax
Can't do much with a box cutter when there's a half-dozen people piled on top of you
Can't do much with a box cutter when there's a half-dozen people piled on top of you
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Read in the DAILY MAIL newspaper yesterday that a T4 BAA metal detector was in use whilst unserviceble. Anyone else read this?
Machine was switched off overnight awaiting parts and the night staff never handed over properly to the morning shift and were hence "using" an u/s walk thru metal detector.
2x BAA staff suspended immediately as "hundereds of passengers went through UNCHECKED"....
Machine was switched off overnight awaiting parts and the night staff never handed over properly to the morning shift and were hence "using" an u/s walk thru metal detector.
2x BAA staff suspended immediately as "hundereds of passengers went through UNCHECKED"....
The only 8 inch weapon I take with me on an aeroplane is one which remains in a dormant state unless a particularly lovely stewardess happens to smile at me...
Oops, sorry for lowering the tone of the thread. Danny is absolutely right; I wonder whether the reported confiscation of plastic swords from a couple of little lads at Paris today (part of their Peter Pan costumes) was a spin-off from this?
There are so many things which can be used as improvised weapons on aeroplanes that these sensation-seeking journos will continue to peddle their chip-wrappers with such daft 'shock horror' exposes for years to come. Unless, that is, passengers are required to fly nude with no carry-on luggage.
Hope that doesn't give a certain Irish person any ideas!
Oops, sorry for lowering the tone of the thread. Danny is absolutely right; I wonder whether the reported confiscation of plastic swords from a couple of little lads at Paris today (part of their Peter Pan costumes) was a spin-off from this?
There are so many things which can be used as improvised weapons on aeroplanes that these sensation-seeking journos will continue to peddle their chip-wrappers with such daft 'shock horror' exposes for years to come. Unless, that is, passengers are required to fly nude with no carry-on luggage.
Hope that doesn't give a certain Irish person any ideas!
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I don´t recall hearing of any aircraft hijacked out of T4 yesterday though. Maybe we shouldn´t label every one a potential terrorist and accept the fact that some people shouldn´t have to go through pax levels of security. Problem is, an empire has now arisen and I can´t see security levels dropping for the foreseable future (in the UK) as we don´t have the leadership or courage to take "risky" decisions. I go through Spanish airports an awful lot, and don´t have to put up with the obtrusive nature of BAA security checks, whether as a pax or being forced , on pain of losing my job, to get a Disclosure Certificate that presently takes up to 9 weeks to return. I was given 8 weeks to sort it out , otherwise "the situation will then be handled by your line manager under the policy EG815" . i.e termination of contract
Perhaps in light of the Madrid train bombings, all rail and London Underground pax should be scanned and x-rayed too? Nobody minds going through security, but let us keep it in perspective please and focus on the important things. A pair of nail clippers isn´t going to do any on any harm. So why were they on the prohibited items list after 9/11? Why don´t the BAA have more than 3 or 4 security teams on duty in T1 International Departures when the queues stretch out past the check in desks? The security regime could be a lot less intrusive if the BAA were less interested in maintaining their bottom line and more interested in getting the pax through security. They pay millions for these scanners, why not provide the staff to use them all at the same time?
Perhaps in light of the Madrid train bombings, all rail and London Underground pax should be scanned and x-rayed too? Nobody minds going through security, but let us keep it in perspective please and focus on the important things. A pair of nail clippers isn´t going to do any on any harm. So why were they on the prohibited items list after 9/11? Why don´t the BAA have more than 3 or 4 security teams on duty in T1 International Departures when the queues stretch out past the check in desks? The security regime could be a lot less intrusive if the BAA were less interested in maintaining their bottom line and more interested in getting the pax through security. They pay millions for these scanners, why not provide the staff to use them all at the same time?
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How did I know the "journalist" was going to be from the Sun?
EZY makes an excellent point. What would have happened if a pax sitting next to these morons has seen them posing with the knife and decided something was very wrong, took the knife from him and stabbed him with it. Would the guy pictured try to defend himself by yelling "It's ok, I'm a journalist..........". The now disarmer would probably slit the guys throat on hearing that!
EZY makes an excellent point. What would have happened if a pax sitting next to these morons has seen them posing with the knife and decided something was very wrong, took the knife from him and stabbed him with it. Would the guy pictured try to defend himself by yelling "It's ok, I'm a journalist..........". The now disarmer would probably slit the guys throat on hearing that!
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What do you call 10 journos on the bottom of the sea?
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A good start! I used to work for ITN and journos egos were the biggest problem we had. They only had one state. The "I've got to have it NOW!" state even when there was no urgency at all. Still if we could get that super nanny who is on the telly at the moment all could have been sorted. She is great with spoilt 4 year olds!
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A good start! I used to work for ITN and journos egos were the biggest problem we had. They only had one state. The "I've got to have it NOW!" state even when there was no urgency at all. Still if we could get that super nanny who is on the telly at the moment all could have been sorted. She is great with spoilt 4 year olds!
Typing "hidden knives" into google gives the very first result as:
http://www.fire-power.com/generic64.html
Which on the first page offers us all for less than $10 a serated knife that absolutely anyone could carry through a 'security' search at an airport with total immunity.
So whats the point?
And why no profiling? The only thing that stands a chance of protecting anyone.
Ah yes. Political correctness.
Let us all remember that when it happens next time.
WWW
http://www.fire-power.com/generic64.html
Which on the first page offers us all for less than $10 a serated knife that absolutely anyone could carry through a 'security' search at an airport with total immunity.
So whats the point?
And why no profiling? The only thing that stands a chance of protecting anyone.
Ah yes. Political correctness.
Let us all remember that when it happens next time.
WWW
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If this journalist was now banned from flying on all commercial aircraft, it would be a nice reminder to the next fool who wants to contribute to his "headline portfolio" by cheap journalism.
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If this journalist was now banned from flying on all commercial aircraft, it would be a nice reminder to the next fool who wants to contribute to his "headline portfolio" by cheap journalism.
I hope for all our sakes, BA put the silly ar$e on the blacklist.
BH