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Dear Guv,
Precisely, if possible, why would a country such as Switzerland have an airline the like and size of Swissair in the first place?
Has it got something to do with history?
Population?
Size of Empire?
National pride??
Large collections of Swiss nationals abroad requiring their transport to the homeland on an annual or regular sabbatical?
I've missed the point here, other than to conceed, most, if not all pilots, don't know or understand the first thing about economics, business practices and the running of a 'successful' modern day airline.
As tragic as it is that many of our colleagues will soon walk the street...
I fear many...globally, will soon join them.
If I were at Swissair, I'd be jolly well delighted Crossair had the testicles to even suggest salvaging part of my airline. Wouldn't you?
There but for the grace of gawd...
Precisely, if possible, why would a country such as Switzerland have an airline the like and size of Swissair in the first place?
Has it got something to do with history?
Population?
Size of Empire?
National pride??
Large collections of Swiss nationals abroad requiring their transport to the homeland on an annual or regular sabbatical?
I've missed the point here, other than to conceed, most, if not all pilots, don't know or understand the first thing about economics, business practices and the running of a 'successful' modern day airline.
As tragic as it is that many of our colleagues will soon walk the street...
I fear many...globally, will soon join them.
If I were at Swissair, I'd be jolly well delighted Crossair had the testicles to even suggest salvaging part of my airline. Wouldn't you?
There but for the grace of gawd...
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…it seems as though the Swiss Government is now willing to shoot in some money for the new "Phoenix" Airline. The pay cut may be less and shorter than firstly anticipated.
By the way APPROVER,
I'm a flying super freak actually! So what?
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By the way APPROVER,
I'm a flying super freak actually! So what?
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Dear approver, first of all welcome to this forum!
And thank you for your first posting, very nice...here some answers:
- to everybody on this site, Fly4fud does not represent neither the CCP (though he has always been a member and a defender!) nor the vast majority of Crossair pilots!
- thanks for your doubts regarding my qualities as a pilot. Be assured here that I can hold my own
- I sure did not imply that the union does not represent the majority of LX pilots, if anybody was under this impression, please accept my apologies
- I am not sure of anybody here being proud about any salary cut anytime. I just remember having been in a group of pilots having voted no, wanting more wages and not more time off on the new contract last year. Yes I'm proud being a pilot and this surely reflects in the way I do my job.
- please, stop menacing. It must be permitted to have personal opinions on a forum like this as it is in the rest of ones life. There are unfortunately enough areas on this planet where this is not an option.
- like all forums, this one is for an exchange of ideas. My personal opinion is that it should be constructive and interesting.
Take care
P.S. no reason to "track me down"... just send me an email and we can proceed to an identity exchange. Several people know who I am, no big deal, no need to open the hunting season...
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[ 18 October 2001: Message edited by: fly4fud ]
And thank you for your first posting, very nice...here some answers:
- to everybody on this site, Fly4fud does not represent neither the CCP (though he has always been a member and a defender!) nor the vast majority of Crossair pilots!
- thanks for your doubts regarding my qualities as a pilot. Be assured here that I can hold my own
- I sure did not imply that the union does not represent the majority of LX pilots, if anybody was under this impression, please accept my apologies
- I am not sure of anybody here being proud about any salary cut anytime. I just remember having been in a group of pilots having voted no, wanting more wages and not more time off on the new contract last year. Yes I'm proud being a pilot and this surely reflects in the way I do my job.
- please, stop menacing. It must be permitted to have personal opinions on a forum like this as it is in the rest of ones life. There are unfortunately enough areas on this planet where this is not an option.
- like all forums, this one is for an exchange of ideas. My personal opinion is that it should be constructive and interesting.
Take care
P.S. no reason to "track me down"... just send me an email and we can proceed to an identity exchange. Several people know who I am, no big deal, no need to open the hunting season...
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Fly4Fud:
DO remember to keep taking your medications now, won't you dear. Your trade-mark confusion is creeping in again. Your statements, and their subsequent back-pedals, are starting to make me feel seasick. Consistency, mate. Consistency!
Is LX culture real or just BS to pay FCM's peanuts? Do the unions represent the pilots or don't they? Do you love your job or are you just a sad mad nutcase that gets his rocks off seeing his own (feeble) words in print?
Fair Dinkum, Ju-Ju, I think all that 2-litre vibration must have finally dislodged somethin' important, Mate!
GO SWITZERLAND GOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
DO remember to keep taking your medications now, won't you dear. Your trade-mark confusion is creeping in again. Your statements, and their subsequent back-pedals, are starting to make me feel seasick. Consistency, mate. Consistency!
Is LX culture real or just BS to pay FCM's peanuts? Do the unions represent the pilots or don't they? Do you love your job or are you just a sad mad nutcase that gets his rocks off seeing his own (feeble) words in print?
Fair Dinkum, Ju-Ju, I think all that 2-litre vibration must have finally dislodged somethin' important, Mate!
GO SWITZERLAND GOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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Yeah fly4fud, get with the program, will ya !
Who´s side are you really on ?
In the long live Swiss Air lines thread you suggested the following :
1 “Moritz Suter/Andre Dose to resign.” Why, may I ask ? Especially Andre Dosé has done a very good job and is proving to be a good, yet uncharismatic, CEO.
2) Mario Corti as new CEO ? He has no real experience in the airline business and has no vision. The only thing he was hired for was crisis managment at which he is failing.
3) “SR pilots keeping their salaries for say the next 5 years” What about LX salaries ? Any idea how you want to sell this one to the CCP or the (potential) investors in the ´new´ Crossair ? Again, who´s side are you really on ?
4) ”do not protect staff from Basel. If the two airlines are to be merged, as has already been stated numerous times, no taboo. Which means there are going to be redundancies at LX too”
What kind of medication ARE you on ?!?!? You have to be kidding ! Sure, punish the staff of an efficient airline ! Are you one of those people who like to run up a bar tab (say SFR 15 billion
! ) and expect someone else to pay for it ? Is this what you call a” a Swiss compromise ?”
Who´s side are you really on ?
In the long live Swiss Air lines thread you suggested the following :
1 “Moritz Suter/Andre Dose to resign.” Why, may I ask ? Especially Andre Dosé has done a very good job and is proving to be a good, yet uncharismatic, CEO.
2) Mario Corti as new CEO ? He has no real experience in the airline business and has no vision. The only thing he was hired for was crisis managment at which he is failing.
3) “SR pilots keeping their salaries for say the next 5 years” What about LX salaries ? Any idea how you want to sell this one to the CCP or the (potential) investors in the ´new´ Crossair ? Again, who´s side are you really on ?
4) ”do not protect staff from Basel. If the two airlines are to be merged, as has already been stated numerous times, no taboo. Which means there are going to be redundancies at LX too”
What kind of medication ARE you on ?!?!? You have to be kidding ! Sure, punish the staff of an efficient airline ! Are you one of those people who like to run up a bar tab (say SFR 15 billion
! ) and expect someone else to pay for it ? Is this what you call a” a Swiss compromise ?”
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Willy Everlearn - why do (did) they have such a big airline in a small country?
The answer is money. It was big business and it also encouraged investment in the country - kind of a flying Swiss bank.
That's how it was anyway. After a few years of - as they used to say - tory misrule, the thing has been quickly and comprehensively ruined. Apart from the poor Bggrs directly affected, the knock on effect to Swiss business (scratches in the shiny paintwork)will be very large - unless they can get something equivalent up and running fast. Signs are that they won't quite hack it.
PS signs are that the skies over CH may be getting more orange.
The answer is money. It was big business and it also encouraged investment in the country - kind of a flying Swiss bank.
That's how it was anyway. After a few years of - as they used to say - tory misrule, the thing has been quickly and comprehensively ruined. Apart from the poor Bggrs directly affected, the knock on effect to Swiss business (scratches in the shiny paintwork)will be very large - unless they can get something equivalent up and running fast. Signs are that they won't quite hack it.
PS signs are that the skies over CH may be getting more orange.
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Can't quite hack it, my ar*e, Few Cloudy. Things are looking good, and getting better by the minite. Friday's are great for organising the odd Billion or two of funding. Next week will be rather interesting, I can assure you.
As for Ouzo breath, I'd keep a closer eye on who's been making major off shore orange share purchases over the last few days if I were you. Looks like MO'L might be planning something a bit cheeky with all those lovely punts.
Watch out, Few Cloudy!
As for Ouzo breath, I'd keep a closer eye on who's been making major off shore orange share purchases over the last few days if I were you. Looks like MO'L might be planning something a bit cheeky with all those lovely punts.
Watch out, Few Cloudy!
