Arrogant SR pilots?
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Arrogant SR pilots?
I have had the chance to talk to some Swissair pilots about the current situation and was astonished to hear that they would rather go on welfare than to earn 30% less or even be associated with the name Crossair. Fly4fud et al, what are your positions on this?
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And the same applies to a significant number of the Sabena pilots as well - who have a tendency to strike as soon as they don't get their way. Talk about spoilt brats throwing their toys out of the cot! 
I'd like to think that the pilots taken on by the 'new' Sabena and the 'new' Swissair would be made up exclusively from the ranks of those that show the willingness to buckle down and get on with the job without the whinging, jobsworth attitude problems.
I'd like to think that the pilots taken on by the 'new' Sabena and the 'new' Swissair would be made up exclusively from the ranks of those that show the willingness to buckle down and get on with the job without the whinging, jobsworth attitude problems.
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Unless you have all the facts, you really should shut up GUV. Although many of us will lose their job by the end of the month, we still do our job, not knowing wether there is money left for the october salaries or not. As our contracts are no longer worth the paper they're written on, we're no longer forced to maintain the 'Friedenspflicht' and we could go on strike. But we still do our job.
Just to get you a little impression what we spoiled brats do:
Day 1: ZRH-SKP-ZRH-SVO ~12:00 dutytime
Day 2: SVO-ZRH-DUS-ZRH ~11:30 dutytime
Day 3: ZRH-ATL up to 10:30 flight time, with 2 man ops
Day 4: ATL-
Day 5: -ZRH
or
Day 1: Sim Check
Day 2: Sim Refresher
Day 3: ZRH-LHR-ZRH-GVA
Day 4: GVA-JFK
Day 5: JFK-
Day 6: -GVA-ZRH
Just to get you a little impression what we spoiled brats do:
Day 1: ZRH-SKP-ZRH-SVO ~12:00 dutytime
Day 2: SVO-ZRH-DUS-ZRH ~11:30 dutytime
Day 3: ZRH-ATL up to 10:30 flight time, with 2 man ops
Day 4: ATL-
Day 5: -ZRH
or
Day 1: Sim Check
Day 2: Sim Refresher
Day 3: ZRH-LHR-ZRH-GVA
Day 4: GVA-JFK
Day 5: JFK-
Day 6: -GVA-ZRH
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F/O Junior
I'm very happy to see that not all SR pilots are thinking the same way as some of the fellows I've talked to.
Hang in there..... we are all in the same boat.
p.s. just disregard GUV. I don't mean to be offensive here but I found it for myself to be the easiest way to deal with some of his comments.
Good luck to you all...
I'm very happy to see that not all SR pilots are thinking the same way as some of the fellows I've talked to.
Hang in there..... we are all in the same boat.
p.s. just disregard GUV. I don't mean to be offensive here but I found it for myself to be the easiest way to deal with some of his comments.
Good luck to you all...
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Kramer,
Perhaps F/0 Junior was trying to make the point that they're still working hard under uncertain conditions. And maybe, if I may venture as far as to say, his post implies that not all are arrogant at his outfit. Consider the prospect of losing a respectable, hard to get job due to apparent mismanagement( benefit of the doubt given). I suspect that some are just angry and disappointed at the moment.
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Perhaps F/0 Junior was trying to make the point that they're still working hard under uncertain conditions. And maybe, if I may venture as far as to say, his post implies that not all are arrogant at his outfit. Consider the prospect of losing a respectable, hard to get job due to apparent mismanagement( benefit of the doubt given). I suspect that some are just angry and disappointed at the moment.
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Well now, F/O Junior, when you applied to SR you asked for work, did you not? Now the company asks you to work, so why do you complain?
F/O Junior, seems quite an apt name. When will you grow up?
F/O Junior, seems quite an apt name. When will you grow up?
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Hang on in there F/O Junior & the rest of the SWR crew. I've spoken with a great friend who has given 22 years to SWR & as the old boy says, the pilots have never lost the airline any money. Nor do they or any of the other employees deserve to be dumped on by a combination of incompetant management & fraudulant financiers.
At least F/O Junior et al still have pride. Chins up!
At least F/O Junior et al still have pride. Chins up!
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N380UA, heard and read the same, i.e. some SR pilots preferring to go unemployed than to work for "Crossair"
Well, let's not call that arrogant. I would rather say this is out of the blue (!) thinking. Reality has certainly not set in. But it will. Sure F/O Junior, you could strike
Just hope you have some back-up plans outside of aviation. And the Swiss public and taxpayers gonna love that
Now, seriously there is no choice. I sure don't wanna play great arbitrator here, but you SR pilots have to start working hand in hand with LX pilots (CCP/Aeropers), like it or not. Otherwise you might well BE RESPONSIBLE for the other thousands of jobs that will go down the drain with you!
As for the 10-12 hours block days F/O Junior, thanks we at LX have know that for years, and we love it! And we love our job! Most of us could have done something else for more money. I took a pay cut of 40% when I started, but I love my job!
In resume, looks like the golden years of Swiss aviation are over. We are now talking survival
Well, let's not call that arrogant. I would rather say this is out of the blue (!) thinking. Reality has certainly not set in. But it will. Sure F/O Junior, you could strike
Just hope you have some back-up plans outside of aviation. And the Swiss public and taxpayers gonna love that Now, seriously there is no choice. I sure don't wanna play great arbitrator here, but you SR pilots have to start working hand in hand with LX pilots (CCP/Aeropers), like it or not. Otherwise you might well BE RESPONSIBLE for the other thousands of jobs that will go down the drain with you!
As for the 10-12 hours block days F/O Junior, thanks we at LX have know that for years, and we love it! And we love our job! Most of us could have done something else for more money. I took a pay cut of 40% when I started, but I love my job!
In resume, looks like the golden years of Swiss aviation are over. We are now talking survival
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It's a human thing. People can't believe that the world they have grown into has changed so dramatically. Just like people still look up at the Twin Towers and can't believe they aren't still there. It's tough, and many of us sympathise. Just remember the people in employment that they believed to be stable forever who had to come to terms with the same realisation that the world has changed: jobs for life are now jobs until the next nasty surprise.
Le's not be too quick to judge - these guys need time to adjust.
Le's not be too quick to judge - these guys need time to adjust.
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no ill feelings but is it all a question of salary ? poor LX guys have accepted poor pay & conditions for years & moved on if they could (some improvements recently I agree)no reason for Swr guys to drop to this level,I would suggest an increase for LX & a decrease for Swr ,should be a reasonable compromise,benchmark all you want you get what you can negotiate ,let´s not get into a jealous tiff but get a good deal for all ,because despite media hype pilot´s salaries make up the sq root of F**ck all in overall operating costs after all despite public opinion,firmly on the side of Swr at the moment,the new airline still needs people &pilots salaries will have no influence on the outcome of the venture,none at all ;fly 4 we all love our jobs but not all are prepared to bend over & accept whatever is offered! something which hopefully shouldn´t surprise you ...good luck to all concerned ,on the ground & in the air. Cisco
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Without wishing to be too cynical about it - but then, why break the habit of a lifetime> - it could of course be very much in an individual's best interests to go on the rock 'n' roll in Switzerland where they have a remarkably generous 80% of salary payout for at least 2 years.
SR MD11 commander CHF300,000. 80% of that is CHF240,000 to do b*gger all.
In contrast, a third year LX EMB4 commander earns CHF83,500.
Not too hard a decision, is it?
- it could of course be very much in an individual's best interests to go on the rock 'n' roll in Switzerland where they have a remarkably generous 80% of salary payout for at least 2 years. SR MD11 commander CHF300,000. 80% of that is CHF240,000 to do b*gger all.
In contrast, a third year LX EMB4 commander earns CHF83,500.
Not too hard a decision, is it?
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I´m affraid you are right N380UA.
For years they laughed at Crossair, and treated us like 2nd class citizens, because we fly smaller airplanes, have less pay and work longer days. You can imagne that even the thought now having to join Crossair is cause for some sleepless nights for some SR pilots.
But what´s the alternative ? If I would get fired tomorrow then I would take almost any flying job, so I do not understand these SR pilots. Why the hatred ? What has LX done wrong to upset you so much ? Ofcourse the pay isn´t the best in the industry ( ) but it means that you can continue to fly and stay current in an economically tough time.
Most Crossair pilots seriously wonder how we can ever work together with ex-SR pilots in a positive and productive way if we look and listen to all the statements made by Aeropers in the last week.
I think that Aeropers is no longer acting in the best intrest of it´s member by trying very hard to blow up all bridges to Crossair.
Let´s hope that the Point of No Return is not yet passed and that we can build an airline together. I´m sure that (at this moment) it will mean a big step back in sallary for ex-SR pilots, but I am also sure that we will reap the rewards within a few years.
For years they laughed at Crossair, and treated us like 2nd class citizens, because we fly smaller airplanes, have less pay and work longer days. You can imagne that even the thought now having to join Crossair is cause for some sleepless nights for some SR pilots.
But what´s the alternative ? If I would get fired tomorrow then I would take almost any flying job, so I do not understand these SR pilots. Why the hatred ? What has LX done wrong to upset you so much ? Ofcourse the pay isn´t the best in the industry (
) but it means that you can continue to fly and stay current in an economically tough time.Most Crossair pilots seriously wonder how we can ever work together with ex-SR pilots in a positive and productive way if we look and listen to all the statements made by Aeropers in the last week.
I think that Aeropers is no longer acting in the best intrest of it´s member by trying very hard to blow up all bridges to Crossair.
Let´s hope that the Point of No Return is not yet passed and that we can build an airline together. I´m sure that (at this moment) it will mean a big step back in sallary for ex-SR pilots, but I am also sure that we will reap the rewards within a few years.
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Well blow me down, one thing you can rely on in life is nerds like GUVNERD jumping in with anti-pilot postings (in a Professional Pilot Network). This fool has subjected you all to nearly 3100 troublemaking, anti-pilot-at-every-opportunity postings. What can we do to get rid of this idiot? I've taken to not reading anything with this fool's name attached to it, but almost every thread is infested by him! There is no escape- in our own forum, and look at him!- a complete failure in life! Take a look at this idiot who spends his sad life in a Professional Pilots Forum: http://flytristar.tripod.com/article/art06.html
The man is deranged!
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The man is deranged!
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Notso Fantastic - my dear boy, I was wondering what had happened to you. I was thinking that you'd been unmasked as one of the instructors for the terrorists but it seems you've managed to slip the net again.
Strange, I still don't seem to have received a request from you for a copy of the email I sent to Ryo Yano demolishing his badly written claims (which anyone else can have as well if they are interested).
But then, since when has the pursuit of truth and integrity been one of your interests, eh?
Strange, I still don't seem to have received a request from you for a copy of the email I sent to Ryo Yano demolishing his badly written claims (which anyone else can have as well if they are interested).
But then, since when has the pursuit of truth and integrity been one of your interests, eh?