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Guvnor, I disagree, Terminals do not compete in JFK or in the US in the real sense. They may compete in terms of branding or to some extent in terms of facilities. They DO NOT compete in term of price which is what Mo'L is seeking.
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Sgt Culpepper - I don't have the figures for JFK (largely because I never looked at flying there) but I do have the ones for LAX. And believe me, they do compete - TBIT vs Terminal 2 is a good comparison.
TBIT charge per turn for an L15: US$5,873
TBIT charge per pax for an L15: US$29.22
T2 charge per turn for an L15: US$4,818
T2 charge per pax for an L15: US$3.76
In any case, as I understand it, Mary O'Rourke has stated quite categorically that the new terminal at DUB is to be privately owned and operated.
TBIT charge per turn for an L15: US$5,873
TBIT charge per pax for an L15: US$29.22
T2 charge per turn for an L15: US$4,818
T2 charge per pax for an L15: US$3.76
In any case, as I understand it, Mary O'Rourke has stated quite categorically that the new terminal at DUB is to be privately owned and operated.
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OK, time to lay down the law! 
Whilst many people do not like the style or content of the Guvnors posts and I agree that he can be extremely irritating much of the time, that does not give any of you the right to use this bulletin board to prove your own pathetic shortcomings and lack of intellectual ability. As long as the Guvnor makes his comments in a civil manner and does not break any PPRuNe rules then he will be allowed to continue posting.
I am getting fed up with the likes of 'Brakes to Park', 'lineup', 'mjenkinsblackdog', 'Mike-Hunt', 'GuvBuster' and 'life is just one big flight' who whilst they don't like the content of the Guvnors posts are only able to make a reply that would take the mental capacity of a five year old! If you can't make a response that argues the point without resorting to what can only be described as a 'dummy spit' and childish tantrum then please do me and the vast majority of PPRuNers a favour and don't bother replying at all.
From now on, if anyone replies to a post by the Guvnor (or anyone else who manages to stir up neanderthal emotions such as 411a and their ilk) and cannot use words of more than one syllable and string them together into an argument to counter the often misleading and pompous style then please don't bother at all. We all like debate and we can all deal with one liner replies IF they are at least delivered with wit and a tiny bit of forethought!
Yes, the Guvnor is always ready to put his twopennethworth in to just about any topic on PPRuNe and he often does it with a style that irritates because of its tone of superiority his apparent (sic) knowledge of all things aviation and excess pomposity but at least he usually does it without resorting to petty insults. Most of us are able to contain our anger at his often distorted quotes which he puts out as though he is an authority but in reality most of us are able to see through most of it and together with his often erroneous comments about some flight deck practices, manage to either read it and move on or provide a counter argument which shows him not to be the most knowledgeable person in aviation.
So, if you continue to make what equates to 'screaming one liner rants' at the Guvnor instead of either replying with something which is at least witty if not able to counter the argument then do not do so. Repeat offenders will be barred from making more posts because I need all the space and capacity I can get on the server. Just consider the Guvnor like one of those tabloid columnists who are employed to wind everyone up with an opposing point of view. Most people read them but then move on and get on with the rest of their lives and the regular news.
One thing that has made PPRuNe successful is the variety of input from many different points of view, unfortunately some have a habit of making theirs ad nauseum but if I were to stop people like the Guvnor from making posts just because you don't like their point of view then this would become a very boring place indeed as everyone just agreed with each other. The Guvnor is extremely machiavellian and those of you who are manipulated by him without your realising it need a wake up call and a short course in grammar or a free subscription to the Readers Digest 'increase your word power'. (Come to think of it so do I... I think!)
Whilst many people do not like the style or content of the Guvnors posts and I agree that he can be extremely irritating much of the time, that does not give any of you the right to use this bulletin board to prove your own pathetic shortcomings and lack of intellectual ability. As long as the Guvnor makes his comments in a civil manner and does not break any PPRuNe rules then he will be allowed to continue posting.
I am getting fed up with the likes of 'Brakes to Park', 'lineup', 'mjenkinsblackdog', 'Mike-Hunt', 'GuvBuster' and 'life is just one big flight' who whilst they don't like the content of the Guvnors posts are only able to make a reply that would take the mental capacity of a five year old! If you can't make a response that argues the point without resorting to what can only be described as a 'dummy spit' and childish tantrum then please do me and the vast majority of PPRuNers a favour and don't bother replying at all.
From now on, if anyone replies to a post by the Guvnor (or anyone else who manages to stir up neanderthal emotions such as 411a and their ilk) and cannot use words of more than one syllable and string them together into an argument to counter the often misleading and pompous style then please don't bother at all. We all like debate and we can all deal with one liner replies IF they are at least delivered with wit and a tiny bit of forethought!
Yes, the Guvnor is always ready to put his twopennethworth in to just about any topic on PPRuNe and he often does it with a style that irritates because of its tone of superiority his apparent (sic) knowledge of all things aviation and excess pomposity but at least he usually does it without resorting to petty insults. Most of us are able to contain our anger at his often distorted quotes which he puts out as though he is an authority but in reality most of us are able to see through most of it and together with his often erroneous comments about some flight deck practices, manage to either read it and move on or provide a counter argument which shows him not to be the most knowledgeable person in aviation.
So, if you continue to make what equates to 'screaming one liner rants' at the Guvnor instead of either replying with something which is at least witty if not able to counter the argument then do not do so. Repeat offenders will be barred from making more posts because I need all the space and capacity I can get on the server. Just consider the Guvnor like one of those tabloid columnists who are employed to wind everyone up with an opposing point of view. Most people read them but then move on and get on with the rest of their lives and the regular news.
One thing that has made PPRuNe successful is the variety of input from many different points of view, unfortunately some have a habit of making theirs ad nauseum but if I were to stop people like the Guvnor from making posts just because you don't like their point of view then this would become a very boring place indeed as everyone just agreed with each other. The Guvnor is extremely machiavellian and those of you who are manipulated by him without your realising it need a wake up call and a short course in grammar or a free subscription to the Readers Digest 'increase your word power'. (Come to think of it so do I... I think!)
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Danny,if you need all the server time/space you can muster I would argue that NR is a major drain on the resources of Pprune. It is a professional pilots' site and brilliant at that. However as a personal acquaintance of you know who I can assure you that he has not one jot of qualification for inclusion on the site.
As for Guv Buster the name alone together with the location I find very amusing. Does this humour not therefore qualify him for posting? If NR is allowed to continue please let us be able to play with him too, please. Pretty please.
As for Guv Buster the name alone together with the location I find very amusing. Does this humour not therefore qualify him for posting? If NR is allowed to continue please let us be able to play with him too, please. Pretty please.
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Ok sports fans back to the programme!!!!
Firstly Ryanair do offer SOME low fares, thats where it ends for the pax because they try and do screw as much cash out of you for everything else. They make money on the taxes, £3 credit card fee, when a company like Ryanair is handling a lot of money and probably pays no more than 1.5 % of the transaction in fees. Thes theres the on-board stuff, drinks, tea, coffe, sambos all which cost a fraction of the charge and theres super margins. Forgot about checkin! You have your baggage allowance, but you go over that and the low paid workers in check in will pounch on you and charge excess baggage rates, whoever gets the highest at the end of the day gets to go home early or at the end of the month might win a poxy voucher
All in all, Ryanair is here to make money, and make money they do. Now I admire MOL and the way he does business, but I dont admire the way he gives out about Aer Rianta, Boeing, the Government, etc, anyone who crosses him all in the name of his passengers when he cant even treat his staff well enough. Ryanair will be left standing after others have collapsed, but at what price, pax are not stupid and will only take so much from MOL.
Firstly Ryanair do offer SOME low fares, thats where it ends for the pax because they try and do screw as much cash out of you for everything else. They make money on the taxes, £3 credit card fee, when a company like Ryanair is handling a lot of money and probably pays no more than 1.5 % of the transaction in fees. Thes theres the on-board stuff, drinks, tea, coffe, sambos all which cost a fraction of the charge and theres super margins. Forgot about checkin! You have your baggage allowance, but you go over that and the low paid workers in check in will pounch on you and charge excess baggage rates, whoever gets the highest at the end of the day gets to go home early or at the end of the month might win a poxy voucher
All in all, Ryanair is here to make money, and make money they do. Now I admire MOL and the way he does business, but I dont admire the way he gives out about Aer Rianta, Boeing, the Government, etc, anyone who crosses him all in the name of his passengers when he cant even treat his staff well enough. Ryanair will be left standing after others have collapsed, but at what price, pax are not stupid and will only take so much from MOL.
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Right Guvnor, I'll try and communicate with you in an intelligent fashion.
I love flying, so say I spent £60,000 on my ab initio training then another £10,000 (guess) on my multi-crew CRM course I'd be £70,000 + accumulating interest in debt before I even wrote to MO'L for a job. He'd then make me pay for my conversion course and all in all I'd end up about £85-100,000 in debt (incl. the cost of living whilst training) by the time I took home my first FR pay cheque of £1500 "as someone on the bottom of the ladder". But that doesn't matter because I love flying.
Those debts are going to be impossible to pay off on my salary and the future doesn't look quite as rosy as it did when I grew up, unless my name's MO'L of course who's employed me as a fully qualified First Officer with just the cost of some route training and heck those flights had to be operated anyway! But that doesn't matter because I love flying, hell I'll even pay for my uniform...
I'm now flying 900 hrs a year as a new First Officer on my shiny new B737-800/rusting old B737-200 (can you imagine 900 hrs on a -200!). I'm getting tired, and just managing to keep ahead of the a/c; Christ there's alot of people down the back depending on me and I've only got 500 hrs. Still at least the company appreciates the responsibility that I have for our customers and the company's future. Oh hang on, they don't they pay me less than a photocopier engineer. Oh silly me, what should I expect I'm at the bottom of the ladder and I've only spent £100,000 getting there; what a generous man I am saving all that money for MO'L, but it's worth it because I love flying.
There are more than sufficient people out there who are happy to fly for the love of it to compensate for loss of those who only fly because its an overpaid job.
Frankly, £1,500 nett for someone on the bottom of the ladder is not a bad whack at all
Frankly, £1,500 nett for someone on the bottom of the ladder is not a bad whack at all
Those debts are going to be impossible to pay off on my salary and the future doesn't look quite as rosy as it did when I grew up, unless my name's MO'L of course who's employed me as a fully qualified First Officer with just the cost of some route training and heck those flights had to be operated anyway! But that doesn't matter because I love flying, hell I'll even pay for my uniform...
I'm now flying 900 hrs a year as a new First Officer on my shiny new B737-800/rusting old B737-200 (can you imagine 900 hrs on a -200!). I'm getting tired, and just managing to keep ahead of the a/c; Christ there's alot of people down the back depending on me and I've only got 500 hrs. Still at least the company appreciates the responsibility that I have for our customers and the company's future. Oh hang on, they don't they pay me less than a photocopier engineer. Oh silly me, what should I expect I'm at the bottom of the ladder and I've only spent £100,000 getting there; what a generous man I am saving all that money for MO'L, but it's worth it because I love flying.
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Guvvie's OK. Its some of the other arrogant tw*ts around here that have sense of humour failure that I reckon should be banned for wasting space. He might be talking cr*p about some things but theres lots of other areas hes been spot on about, including the recession, pay cuts, companies going bust and so on. Whether thats inside info or whether he's just amazingly astute, I don't know, but if hes that good on the geegees he doesn't need to be messing around with clapped out 3*s!
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the only reason anyone would want to buy food on an FR flight is because they are sick of the gouging in the pax areas at DUB - one squillion quid for an orange juice [bottled] and sambo [plastic] and no avgas used to transport it
If you want to eat on most forms of transport it's pretty expensive and not very satisfying, as users of Irish Rail can attest.
FR state that if you use a debit card, you don't pay the fee - haven't tried at as I prefer visa but feel free to take a look.
If they "make money" on the taxes, then I'm sure EI et al can refer them to the director of consumer affairs, or you can do so yourself!
the only reason anyone would want to buy food on an FR flight is because they are sick of the gouging in the pax areas at DUB - one squillion quid for an orange juice [bottled] and sambo [plastic] and no avgas used to transport it
If you want to eat on most forms of transport it's pretty expensive and not very satisfying, as users of Irish Rail can attest.
FR state that if you use a debit card, you don't pay the fee - haven't tried at as I prefer visa but feel free to take a look.
If they "make money" on the taxes, then I'm sure EI et al can refer them to the director of consumer affairs, or you can do so yourself!
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Fluke Skywalker - I can see where you're coming from but even so, pilots are not the only group in that position. What about doctors? Want to hazard a guess as to how long the training takes and how much it costs - plus how little you earn and how long hours you work whilst doing it?
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I know a F/O at Ryannair who is on the old higher pay scale and he says he's so busy/fatigued on his days off, he never has any decent time off to enjoy life or spend his earnings! Certainly not my cup of tea! There's far too many FR check in girls out in Tomangoes to be played with, than working O'Learys nightshift!
I can imagine on the new pay and conditions, guys will immediately realise what a bad deal they're on and leave Ryannair.
It's quite simple, the Guys will just move onto greener pastures, leaving Ryannair to become an extension of the flight training system!
I can imagine on the new pay and conditions, guys will immediately realise what a bad deal they're on and leave Ryannair.
It's quite simple, the Guys will just move onto greener pastures, leaving Ryannair to become an extension of the flight training system!
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I have just got to mention this!! I have just got off the FR and the Aer Lingus Web pages. I need to go to Man on the Wednesday the 25th of Oct. and return on the same day. I got on the FR website filled in the details and wham £14.7something each way, plus taxes, plus lifevest, plus 50p for the lights on the aircraft etc, etc and it totaled £49 BIG ONES, NOT BAD FOR A same day return.
Now, remembering Mr Des Gerathys words last week on the news and I still think he got a waft of Eamon Dunphys beer breath over the telephone, before he came out with this GEM (by the way for our allies in the U.K., Dessie is the Union Rep for Aer Lingus) he said we should show solidarty for the national carrier etc, so I went to www.save the national carrier website, typed in the essentials and WHAM! the webpage dissappeared, O.K. I said, national carrier, 2,500 jobs, a lot of forests saved this christmas, if those people cant have X-Mas trees and went throught the procedure, well FOOK ME PINK, £449! They shower in the green want £449, for a same day return, now I selected the promotional fare, not the flexable return, god knows, what kind of Teleban Fanaticism is required to book that fare. I'm sorry but good god what planet as these people on?? The havent a hope against, Micheal and his wooloey Jumper. But, if Mr Gerathy agreed to pay say £400 of the fare, then I would go, considering I might like the "Rubber egg" and the cloned cocktail saussie on the AL flight.
Not Likely, I'm going FR, now I've knocked them in the past and probably rightly so, but the big Golden Harp is going to have to become my new National Emblom!! For the sake of £400 and a 20 minute hop to Man!
Now, remembering Mr Des Gerathys words last week on the news and I still think he got a waft of Eamon Dunphys beer breath over the telephone, before he came out with this GEM (by the way for our allies in the U.K., Dessie is the Union Rep for Aer Lingus) he said we should show solidarty for the national carrier etc, so I went to www.save the national carrier website, typed in the essentials and WHAM! the webpage dissappeared, O.K. I said, national carrier, 2,500 jobs, a lot of forests saved this christmas, if those people cant have X-Mas trees and went throught the procedure, well FOOK ME PINK, £449! They shower in the green want £449, for a same day return, now I selected the promotional fare, not the flexable return, god knows, what kind of Teleban Fanaticism is required to book that fare. I'm sorry but good god what planet as these people on?? The havent a hope against, Micheal and his wooloey Jumper. But, if Mr Gerathy agreed to pay say £400 of the fare, then I would go, considering I might like the "Rubber egg" and the cloned cocktail saussie on the AL flight.
Not Likely, I'm going FR, now I've knocked them in the past and probably rightly so, but the big Golden Harp is going to have to become my new National Emblom!! For the sake of £400 and a 20 minute hop to Man!
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EI promo fares are min 2 night max 14 nights. A guy in the Irish Times yesterday was asked for 600 IEP to Paris.
EI aren't attracting business fares which should be the point of the exercise - they're the ones who really want this so-called "full service". The SLF at the back will go back to Ryanair when the fares go back up.
EI aren't attracting business fares which should be the point of the exercise - they're the ones who really want this so-called "full service". The SLF at the back will go back to Ryanair when the fares go back up.
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The website does give outrageous fares, it is complete rubbish if you ask me, I think the software logic used is absolute dross. The people who designed it should be fired!
Phone up the EI reservations for the real fares.
Phone up the EI reservations for the real fares.
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The EI website is a waste of time. Got quoted £3800 for a promotional fare to LAX. This was also going through SNN. Rang Aer lingus, spoke to a nice girl who quoted just under £400!!
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One million quid versus £15,000 that just about puts their fares in proportionas well!
The only thing is, that if AL stopped operating, or under a different form, would FR Become the "Big Green Monster" and start charging, £449 for a Rtn to Man, which is approx 40 minutes flight time or approx, £10 a minute!!! Not even AL services is worth that, I could buy everyone on the FR flight and still be better off than going with the price quoted on the AL Website.
PS I did ring a friend in AL, Custumer Services about a price and she said, " I'm embarresed to quote you the farer!" Soon the only people in Premeir will be the AL staff on cheapies!!
The only thing is, that if AL stopped operating, or under a different form, would FR Become the "Big Green Monster" and start charging, £449 for a Rtn to Man, which is approx 40 minutes flight time or approx, £10 a minute!!! Not even AL services is worth that, I could buy everyone on the FR flight and still be better off than going with the price quoted on the AL Website.
PS I did ring a friend in AL, Custumer Services about a price and she said, " I'm embarresed to quote you the farer!" Soon the only people in Premeir will be the AL staff on cheapies!!
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Umm, no, actually, El Nino the Ryanair site is by OpenSkies (who also power EZY, Go, Virgin Express, Virgin Blue, Southwest, JetBlue etc etc) and it costs a hell of a lot more than £15k!!
OpenSkies was developed by David Neeleman - yep the same one that set up Morris Air and sold it to Southwest; set up WestJet in Canada and latterly set up the best funded startup in US airline history - JetBlue. He sold OpenSkies to HP in 1999, I think; and it now belongs to Navitaire.
For more information, check out here.
OpenSkies was developed by David Neeleman - yep the same one that set up Morris Air and sold it to Southwest; set up WestJet in Canada and latterly set up the best funded startup in US airline history - JetBlue. He sold OpenSkies to HP in 1999, I think; and it now belongs to Navitaire.
For more information, check out here.